Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

Feddit.org's explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:

  • They accept both pro- and anti-Zionist members, so it's not proof of a bias.
  • They [choose to] comply [in advance] with strict German / Swiss / Austrian laws regarding [overly broad] "antisemitic" language, or they might get in trouble.
  • Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu's genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.
  • Lots of Euros (and Germans specifically) are pro-Zionist, so they feel like they have to accommodate this view.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:

  • Explicitly prohibit pro-Zionist accounts from joining.
  • Take measures to resolve their claimed legal issues, e.g., moving their server location to a less regulated jurisdiction, and ensuring that admin accounts remain anonymous regarding their location.
  • Stop referring to folks who call for "Death to Israel" or similar as though they are the terrorists or violent extremists. The Zionist Israeli settlers, the murderous IDF rapists, and the entirety of the Israeli government are clearly the violent ethnostate extremists we should be worried about, not the Palestinians in Gaza who are fighting for their lives every single day against completely disproportionate levels of Zionist violence.

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.

I've also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:

This one says it all... mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It's apparently "xenophobic" to state a few hard truths.

If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.

Voting instructions

I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:

Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.

Downvote this post if you'd prefer not to ban these communities.

Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that's the better option, then we'll do that instead.

Note 3: Although I don't really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.

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[–] 15 points 9 months ago (7 children)

What do you mean infighting? Zionazis and their apologists are at best only masquerading as progressives

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    incredible how many people, with how often it's discussed right in front of them, still don't understand the paradox of tolerance.

    the fediverse is designed around choice. blocking or defederating an instance for bad behavior is exactly how it's meant to work. each instance is meant to be distinct from all the others in how it's run and governed. if your server determines that they cannot tolerate feddit's intolerance, that is in itself not intolerance or infighting. quite the opposite. that is creating a space where there only is tolerance because tolerance is a social contract, not a virtue

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    A lot of early fediverse promotions were centered around it being a decentralized free speech safe haven where some servers might ban you for stupid reasons but there are always other servers.

    It's a rude awakening when people learn that most servers out there are not free speech safe havens and actually have sensible moderation which also includes breaking ties with other servers.

    IMO the lies told early on to promote the fediverse did more damage than help by onboarding people here who never should've been encouraged to join it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    "your home instance doesn't matter" is such wrongheaded nonsense and it's the prevailing attitude on the threadiverse. "it's just like email" is also a misleading oversimplification. again. super popular

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah Home instance matters a lot. I mean aside from the fact that your home instance is essentially like a family or community in and of itself, not just a simple server. It's very important to choose one that's stable otherwise you can just end up losing everything overnight.

    And yeah I don't like the email analogy either. I don't think it's useful to explain how it works, just get them to use it and they'll figure out the novelty of decentralization eventually if needed or not at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I think "linux distribution" would be the closest analogy, they're all linux but with different a focus on different things, but then you first gotta explain that 😵

    Which is why I would introduce the same way as linux, just pick a distro/instance and start hopping until you find one you feel comfortable at. I mean I started with lemmy on feddit_de of all places 🤣

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I don't know it just feels kind of different. Maybe that analogy would work for other servers which have little to no local communities, but for many servers their primary focus is on the local communities and local population on them.

    That's the case for dbzer0, it's the case for lemmy.ml, it's really the case for something like hexbear. In any of these cases interoperability and being able to view remote communities on them is secondary.

    Some servers like lemmy.one I would see like that because their local communities were few and far between. Though I feel like servers which have a majority focus on remote communities are generally pretty rare. People don't start fediverse servers because they want to provide places for people to sign up and use other parts of the fediverse. They provide servers because they want to create a thriving Community themselves.

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