▲ 915 ▼ The Lesser Evil (lemmy.zip) submitted 9 months ago by Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 109 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/57350918
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -6 points 9 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 11 points 9 months ago (2 children) So what do we do when they don't have any excuses left? Because they're sure as shit not going to fix anything whether they're able to or not. This is a Capitalist country - people work for money and nothing else, and most of Democrat's money comes from donations from tech and finance giants who love the free reign they're being given right now. As soon as the Democrats accepted that money it literally became their job to keep things the same for the benefit of their benefactors. On paper they're against the far right, but money supersedes all of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 months ago So what do we do when they don't have any excuses left? just keep electing dems, because the party can only be failed never fail 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 9 months ago You do? I certainly don't. I think people will vote Democrat even as the gap between them and the Republicans closes more and more, to the point where they only know which is which by the color of their logo. That's the issue with voting not for a person, and not for a set of ideals, but for the simple concept of "anything but the worst possible outcome," especially in a world where the worst possible outcome keeps getting worse and worse. I picture a world 30 years from now where we're celebrating a win for a Democrat candidate who's exactly like Donald Trump, because his Republican opponent is somehow even worse, all while the corporations that fund both parties celebrate 300% yearly growth. We need to vote blue, not because Democrats will do anything, but because things at least won't get worse as we continue to organize the revolution. To wait and see what they do is to waste time that would be better served organizing. We shouldn't be singing the praises of Democrats, because they are just as integral of a part of the system as their opponents, and it will all need to be torn down before things can be rebuilt. The biggest hurdle is going to be getting people like you to let go of your everlasting hope that somehow there's still a slight chance that all Democrats will suddenly become different people and decide not to do the very thing they got into politics to do - to get their very own bag of blood money. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago If the DNC had more than 48 seats for the first time in over 13 years they wouldn’t have any excuses left. You mean like when they had a supermajority under Obama and did nothing to codify abortion protections, resulting in Trump being able to largely repeal them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) If the DNC had more than 48 seats Their caucus had 50. The ones who voted with republicans were DEMOCRATS, not the independents who caucus with the party. Now stop lying for the enablers of fascism just because you love the results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Reminder that an IND stopped the DNC from passing real healthcare reform in 2010 And suddenly we're not talking about the past 13 years now that it's convenient for you. Fine. The independent that made sure people went bankrupt and die for you was democrat enough to be Al Gore's running mate in 2000. He counted then but since we needed a villain to rotate in to make sure sick people die like you and all centrists demand, he's conveniently an independent. He also had the help of Ben Nelson, a Democrat. Congratulations on all the unnecessary death. Your portion of the caucus is justifiably proud of all the blood on your hands. So for an encore, centrists supported genocide. You're just republicans who want people to pretend you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 11 points 9 months ago (2 children) So what do we do when they don't have any excuses left? Because they're sure as shit not going to fix anything whether they're able to or not. This is a Capitalist country - people work for money and nothing else, and most of Democrat's money comes from donations from tech and finance giants who love the free reign they're being given right now. As soon as the Democrats accepted that money it literally became their job to keep things the same for the benefit of their benefactors. On paper they're against the far right, but money supersedes all of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 months ago So what do we do when they don't have any excuses left? just keep electing dems, because the party can only be failed never fail 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 9 months ago You do? I certainly don't. I think people will vote Democrat even as the gap between them and the Republicans closes more and more, to the point where they only know which is which by the color of their logo. That's the issue with voting not for a person, and not for a set of ideals, but for the simple concept of "anything but the worst possible outcome," especially in a world where the worst possible outcome keeps getting worse and worse. I picture a world 30 years from now where we're celebrating a win for a Democrat candidate who's exactly like Donald Trump, because his Republican opponent is somehow even worse, all while the corporations that fund both parties celebrate 300% yearly growth. We need to vote blue, not because Democrats will do anything, but because things at least won't get worse as we continue to organize the revolution. To wait and see what they do is to waste time that would be better served organizing. We shouldn't be singing the praises of Democrats, because they are just as integral of a part of the system as their opponents, and it will all need to be torn down before things can be rebuilt. The biggest hurdle is going to be getting people like you to let go of your everlasting hope that somehow there's still a slight chance that all Democrats will suddenly become different people and decide not to do the very thing they got into politics to do - to get their very own bag of blood money. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 months ago So what do we do when they don't have any excuses left? just keep electing dems, because the party can only be failed never fail 😭 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 9 months ago You do? I certainly don't. I think people will vote Democrat even as the gap between them and the Republicans closes more and more, to the point where they only know which is which by the color of their logo. That's the issue with voting not for a person, and not for a set of ideals, but for the simple concept of "anything but the worst possible outcome," especially in a world where the worst possible outcome keeps getting worse and worse. I picture a world 30 years from now where we're celebrating a win for a Democrat candidate who's exactly like Donald Trump, because his Republican opponent is somehow even worse, all while the corporations that fund both parties celebrate 300% yearly growth. We need to vote blue, not because Democrats will do anything, but because things at least won't get worse as we continue to organize the revolution. To wait and see what they do is to waste time that would be better served organizing. We shouldn't be singing the praises of Democrats, because they are just as integral of a part of the system as their opponents, and it will all need to be torn down before things can be rebuilt. The biggest hurdle is going to be getting people like you to let go of your everlasting hope that somehow there's still a slight chance that all Democrats will suddenly become different people and decide not to do the very thing they got into politics to do - to get their very own bag of blood money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 9 months ago You do? I certainly don't. I think people will vote Democrat even as the gap between them and the Republicans closes more and more, to the point where they only know which is which by the color of their logo. That's the issue with voting not for a person, and not for a set of ideals, but for the simple concept of "anything but the worst possible outcome," especially in a world where the worst possible outcome keeps getting worse and worse. I picture a world 30 years from now where we're celebrating a win for a Democrat candidate who's exactly like Donald Trump, because his Republican opponent is somehow even worse, all while the corporations that fund both parties celebrate 300% yearly growth. We need to vote blue, not because Democrats will do anything, but because things at least won't get worse as we continue to organize the revolution. To wait and see what they do is to waste time that would be better served organizing. We shouldn't be singing the praises of Democrats, because they are just as integral of a part of the system as their opponents, and it will all need to be torn down before things can be rebuilt. The biggest hurdle is going to be getting people like you to let go of your everlasting hope that somehow there's still a slight chance that all Democrats will suddenly become different people and decide not to do the very thing they got into politics to do - to get their very own bag of blood money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago If the DNC had more than 48 seats for the first time in over 13 years they wouldn’t have any excuses left. You mean like when they had a supermajority under Obama and did nothing to codify abortion protections, resulting in Trump being able to largely repeal them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) If the DNC had more than 48 seats Their caucus had 50. The ones who voted with republicans were DEMOCRATS, not the independents who caucus with the party. Now stop lying for the enablers of fascism just because you love the results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Reminder that an IND stopped the DNC from passing real healthcare reform in 2010 And suddenly we're not talking about the past 13 years now that it's convenient for you. Fine. The independent that made sure people went bankrupt and die for you was democrat enough to be Al Gore's running mate in 2000. He counted then but since we needed a villain to rotate in to make sure sick people die like you and all centrists demand, he's conveniently an independent. He also had the help of Ben Nelson, a Democrat. Congratulations on all the unnecessary death. Your portion of the caucus is justifiably proud of all the blood on your hands. So for an encore, centrists supported genocide. You're just republicans who want people to pretend you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Reminder that an IND stopped the DNC from passing real healthcare reform in 2010 And suddenly we're not talking about the past 13 years now that it's convenient for you. Fine. The independent that made sure people went bankrupt and die for you was democrat enough to be Al Gore's running mate in 2000. He counted then but since we needed a villain to rotate in to make sure sick people die like you and all centrists demand, he's conveniently an independent. He also had the help of Ben Nelson, a Democrat. Congratulations on all the unnecessary death. Your portion of the caucus is justifiably proud of all the blood on your hands. So for an encore, centrists supported genocide. You're just republicans who want people to pretend you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Reminder that an IND stopped the DNC from passing real healthcare reform in 2010 And suddenly we're not talking about the past 13 years now that it's convenient for you. Fine. The independent that made sure people went bankrupt and die for you was democrat enough to be Al Gore's running mate in 2000. He counted then but since we needed a villain to rotate in to make sure sick people die like you and all centrists demand, he's conveniently an independent. He also had the help of Ben Nelson, a Democrat. Congratulations on all the unnecessary death. Your portion of the caucus is justifiably proud of all the blood on your hands. So for an encore, centrists supported genocide. You're just republicans who want people to pretend you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago The purpose of a system is what it does. Democrats find the votes to block progress and support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent