ngl there is racist connotations in the way people label ICE as "masked thugs" or "gang members". by doing this you're disassociating ICE from state institutions & associating them with racialized terms of criminality in order to reinforce the idea that they're dangerous. In reality they're just cops & this is just cop shit.
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[–] 47 points 9 months ago (15 children)

I can get behind the term "masked thugs", just as the Einsatzgruppen were thugs. The correct term might be paramilitary secret police, which puts them in that sweet spot where they basically don't have to answer to anyone...Like the Gestapo. The cure for those kinds of people is at the end of a rope.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, they're thugs. If people lack the imagination to realize thugs can can be white that sounds like a them problem to me.

    Honestly, this reads almost as "they're not thugs, they are white so it's just policing as usual and that makes it alright". I'm assuming the post is trying to say cops are bad, but if the white authoritarian racist would agree 100% with your statement maybe consider reformulating.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Of course thugs can be white, but the term is used almost exclusively for black people.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on that. The term is frequently used around the UK when referring to violent people of any background, but the context in which I hear it the most is football hooligans or EDL. I wouldn't be surprised if those adding a racial bias to the word are from the US. Europe is generally not as preoccupied with race.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    That's your bias. I had no issue imagining white thugs. In fact there are so little black people where I live that I wouldn't associate them as thugs. Poor? Sure, that's social conditioning, but thugs no.

    Calling ICE thugs is appropriate, albeit maybe too light. They are the KKK trash. That sounds more appropriate than Gestapo.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    ysk that Einsatzgruppe is just the German word for "task force". What you're referring to only makes sense when you specify you mean one of the SS.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The "Einsatzgruppen" were a gaggle of former or current cops, aging reservists and some volunteers who were sent in after the Wehrmacht had taken a territory.

    Their job was to shoot Jews and Partisans. While "Einsatzgruppe" is the German word for Task Force, talking about the "Einsatzgruppen" always refers to these groups in the Third Reich.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    the "n" at the end is regular German plural btw. don't fall for this farce

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Kollege, ich weiß nicht, was du mir damit sagen willst. Ich hab sowohl im Englischen als auch im Deutschen den Plural verwendet.

    Wenn jemand im Englischen von "Einsatzgruppen" spricht, dann meint er nicht das Konzept von "Task Force" in einem deutschen Kontext. Es geht dabei, vor allem wenn wir schon über das Dritte Reich reden, um die "Einsatzgruppen des SD".

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    it's literally in the German dictionary. the firebrigades have Einsatzgruppen here too, for example.

    some probably nazi professor getting a German boner when he doesn't translate the title of units properly, doesn't change reality.

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    Example: https://www.feuerwehr.hamburg/die-spezialeinsatzgruppen-871244

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