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The world is trying to log off U.S. tech (restofworld.org)
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Countries are growing uneasy about their dependence on U.S. technology firms.

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[–] 233 points 9 months ago (32 children)

The US held a unique privilege of being the world’s tech leader, their IT buddy.

Now that we’ve violated everyone’s trust, we will likely never get that position back.

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  • [–] 84 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    As they say: it takes decades to grow a forest, but only one match to burn it down.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    There are those who learn from the past mistakes of themselves and others...

    and there are those who don't...

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    That really doesn't fit here IMO. It took decades of bullshit, law breaking, blatant spying, hostile persuasion etc. of US IT being forced onto the world, and without Trump and the fucking nightmare circus that's going on this wouldn't have happened. The world would have kept bending the knee and even inviting all of it forever, it took THIS MUCH to get the world to take a step back and realise that this isn't a good thing.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Ding ding ding

    And that IS a good thing. It's great that it happened, I just wish it had happened 2 decades ago and before IT companies yeeted the fworld off a cliff into hell

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No, now is the perfect time, because the rest of the world would get corrupt as hell. This will cause a massive leftwards shift, right around the dawn of AI.

    We don't want an AM.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    AM?

    And why would other nations get corrupt as hell without US tech? That is a weird flex

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Tech goes through phases of enshitification. Meaning, that once EU breaks free of US tech, they will try and make actual good shit for a while, but then the shit will become shittier, just like in the US. Then it will become bad shit.

    Well, shit.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But everything was rolling, pretty goddamn great until...

    I beg to disagree there. Each year Big Tech has become more and more aggressive in taking control from us, the consumer. Microsoft with the requirements of TPM in order to install windows 11. Google with they're delaying open source releases of android, preventing apps from being installed unless it's non-cfw. All tech companies shoveling AI everywhere. John Deere with their vendor lock-in hardware.

    This needed to stop and these companies need to be reminded that "the consumer owns the hardware and that includes functional software (that does not change without the users consent)".

    Unfortunately, the U.S. Government failed it's people in defending consumer rights and tbh, the EU hasn't really done a stellar job either. However, this is certainly the" kick in pants" the EU needs (hopefully) to start to create competition against U. S. Big Tech... and the EU certainly understands that it needs to protect these small EU start-ups as they try to find their footing.

    So, I hope this results in the EU creating laws to "level the playing field". Which, I hope, actually spurs innovate and Open Standards (something Big Tech has been working hard on suppressing), which will be good for all of us (regardless, if you're in the EU, U.S., and beyond).

    You'll notice there is a lot of "hope" in these sentences. I am skeptical, but I can see how this could be "a good thing".

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    For decades there has been tension between European data protection principles and US principles that corporations should be able to monetize your data and the US government should be able to access everything. Our dependence on US tech companies had made our position weak. We should have subsidised European cloud infrastructure a long time ago.

    Especially the last few years it's been terrible how many companies and organisations have surrendered to US Big Tech. Even Dutch banks have abandoned their own excellent contactless payment system to surrender to Apple Pay and Google Wallet.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    I mean, privacy had been getting worse for decades before Trump got in office. Mainstream tech has been on a steady decline for years, if not longer, and the privacy invasions being baked into most software have always been horrifying.

    Was it all functional? Yeah. Were there a lot of horrifying things under the hood? Also yeah.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah nah.

    Trump didn't fuck google. Trump doesn't run facebook. He didn't create dark patterns, predatory subscriptionware, he's not responsible for win 11.... this is a process that's been going for a while, and so is the detachment.

    I can't even say 100% that trump goosed the accelerator

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    He doesn’t need to run any of those companies because those CEO dickweeds will do whatever he wants anyway.

    How do you not see that as gigantic problem?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Other way around.

    Prior to el cheeto they were facing anti trust lawsuits and regulation. Now they're not.

    All they have to do is fake the occasional reacharound and they can ride him forever.

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That's alarmism.

    The US held a unique privilege of being the world's cloud host, but that's thankfully only a decade or so of bullshit.

    And it's good when trust gets broken in things where trust is wrong.

    And sorry, I still see most big things in tech centered around USA. That won't go away until some jurisdiction becomes safer. Perhaps Brazil stands a chance eventually, LOL.

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  • [+] -24 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    You say "we violated", but its literally one person called Trump.

    I think once he is out of office, the western world can work together again. Its just so much to gain from that. The mentality of Trump is from Russia or North Korea.

    All his decisions can be reversed by the next president.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    All his decisions can be reversed by the next president.

    And then reversed by the next next president. Do you think this kind of trust violation blows over just like that?

    The orange Cheeto threatened to annex a fucking European country. And nobody in the US told him otherwise. The Democrats seem to be too busy eating popcorn and waiting for elections.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Speaking as a canadian, I do believe our leaders will attempt to work with any new administration the US votes in. We are too inter-linked to not try. BUT, I think recent events have shown not just our government, but our general populace that we cannot rely on the USA. I don't think everything will just "go back to normal" like you hope.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    I still think it will, if a good president is selected. But can the US select a good president? That is more doubtful to me actually. I havent seen anyone good since Obama. And even him was disliked by some.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    The loss of soft power can't be reversed easily and especially not in the next presidency. Why would any sane country think this is a one off for us? Next election we might elect someone crazier for all they know.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    one person, along with all the people who voted for him, all the people who got those voters to vote for him, all the people who helped him

    Romania knew how to deal with a fascist candidate, the USA didnt

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    There’s a bit of a problem with that: every single thing Trump has promised has turned out to be a lie. A very obvious lie that has costed this entire country more than we could possibly imagine.

    So… How do you square that with what Trump promised before now?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    who cares about trump here. he's just the catalyst that started the process we long needed. american big tech has for much longer been parasitic and anticonsumer, and that's not on trump. every administration before that was fine with it too.

    yes you violated, and that's out of question.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's not just Trump, it's an entire dream team of fascists. The GOP has never distanced themselves from maga, meaning that is the new line.

    They did not vote for Harris, not going to vote for 90 year old Sanders or AOC. So strategically (as in long term) the world is not going to trust the US anymore.

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