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Wayland didn’t kill Linux desktops, but it did expose their weakest assumptions [EDIT: Warning, article likely written with AI assistance] (www.xda-developers.com)
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[–] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (19 children)

I have kde + Wayland on Arch, and everything works just fine even with my Nvidia card. About 1.5 years ago there was a bug big Wayland update that changed it from literally unusable to good but maybe a little buggy. Now it's as stable as anything I've ever used.

I use spectacle for screen shots without issue. Switch windows, desktops, snapping windows, etc works perfect for me. Other features you mentioned I can't personally speak to, but not having all of the features on a rolling release is to be expected with anything. It's early phases were bad though.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I have KDE + Wayland on Arch using an Nvidia GPU and I have tons of nagging issues that seemingly cannot be resolved with current drivers.

    More power to you if it all just works, but that isn't universal

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    That's unfortunate. Idk what I did but it's just worked for me for a long time now. I definitely feel in the minority with having success with an Nvidia GPU. I run 3 monitors, 1 vertical, one an ultra wide, and one on top. It remembers position, colors and refresh are on pont and other than needing to restart Steam from time to time, it's just worked for me. My next card will still not be Nvidia though.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    The event loop shit is a gnome issue I have, I haven't tried it with KDE but I wouldn't be surprised if the issue remains, where if you are switching windows/workspace to often the gnome event loop doesn't register that you have released the key because it's to busy fucking rendering the window/ Workspace switch.

    We obviously don't have the same use case, so if it works for you all power to you. But it sucks balls, the way I like use my laptop when I'm working. Can't even do simple shit as to rebind a key, please find a working guide for kde or gnome, surprise they don't work, and it's fucking baffling the amount of different guides of how change keybindings and how many steps they require you do to, but they even work, why is that?

    Why doesn't Wayland support fucking a config file, where you define key bindings, why does it not allow to copy shit from the terminal via xclip or any other method, it's like we went back 50 years in time, dude these tools existed 25 years ago.

    Wtf is this, it's lacking so much functionality and also performance is worse, you get more performance from xserver like 20% more fps, just try playing a game and turn on the fps meter, and compare them. Wtf is this, how do you build something new based on prior knowledge but it's worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    https://superuser.com/questions/1189467/how-to-copy-text-to-the-clipboard-when-using-wayland#1377550 In KDE, you can rebind the keybinds for anything, it's under system settings in the keyboard section, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. You can add custom ones to run any command, too, if the app doesn't register a keybind, so you could, for example, send a dbus signal to the app. The way it's done in wayland is different, but KDE supports all the stuff you mentioned in wayland from what I can tell.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It works so bad in KDE, and no I don't want to use GUI to bind keys, I want to save the configuration and use if I need to reinstall. I tried to rebind changing keyboard layout, doesn't work.

    Sorry dude, but it works horribly bad

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So, it does work, just not the way you would prefer it to?

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No because it crashes bro, key events aren't properly registered, getting ghosted keys or whatever the term is, when it's to busy rendering the window animations or Workspace animations.

    I'll tell you what, it's super convenient for red hat/IBM or whoever else is paying for the development of gnome and KDE development to install spyware, because now everything goes via Wayland protocol.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Wait, wait, going via a wayland protocol means each piece of software requires you to opt into what it collects, on X11 they can just read everything all the time no matter what, spyware in X11 is trivially easy, it's much harder when it goes via a wayland protocol.

    Also, is what you're describing on gnome or KDE? As I understand it, KDE separates those parts out, so one shouldn't block the other.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I get very good fps in every game I play on my 2080ti that's very much not new. I've had to download a fix for one game I have, and Sony doesn't allow multiplayer in Ghost of Tsushima, but every other game literally loads and runs better than they ever have. 100fps+ in most games, and maybe less than 60 in the most intense. Arch + kde + Wayland is easily the best computing experience I've ever had.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I didn't say Wayland had bad performance, if you read I said that x11 has better performance. For Wayland being new and more modern it should not underperform and dude just fucking look benchmarks online, you have internet.

    Here this one is for free, how you candy read. https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-vs-x11-performance-amd-graphics.html

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I've had no performance degredation moving to Wayland after the aformentioned update. I read what you said. I've noticed no difference in performance, and anyone that's fretting about 120 fps vs 110 fps is just splitting hairs for the sake of be being pedantic. I concede that there are some features that don't exist that don't apply to me and the vast majority of users, but for most of us, Wayland is just as good if not better in some common aspects.

    No need to be hostile my dude. Chill.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Na I'll always be hostile it's more fun, I would less hostile if people stop the with telling what works for them, like I'm going to fucking get the same setup as dem. You do understand that there's more angles than one, and not stopping and thinking yourself about the issue at hand and making weird assumptions without looking up anything, is kinda annoying after a while.

    Because that is how most people are on Lemmy, it's so hard to just have a discussion because you always have some people make counterpoints that fucking suck ass, and not based in anyone else's reality but their own.

    If I wouldn't be hostile I would just stop writing, and it's not like I'm angry, it's just sounds funnier.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If your only two options are hostile or silent, let's go with silent.

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