Tar_alcaran comments on A tweet about the 2024 election.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

Biden’s term ended with the US overseeing a brutal war in Gaza and a historic cost of living crisis.

Yes, I too remember the US invading Palestine to kidnap their leader. I too remember Biden saying they should turn Gaza into a giant casino and beach resort. I definitely remember Biden threatening to invade denmark if sweden won't give him a medal.

Why do you think any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump?

Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say "don't vote for that one" it's a defacto endorsement of the other.

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[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other

Talkies really need to get with the program.

It's a two party system. I'd love it if there was a magical third option but that's not how the electoral college works

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[+] Objection@lemmy.ml -6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other.

Whataboutism. Two things can be true at once.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Whataboutism would be saying "what Biden does is excusable because Trump does it too".

So no, it's not whataboutism.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Are you fucking kidding me? That's literally the exact thing that you're saying.

Them: Here are Biden's stances, and I consider them inexcusable"

You: Actually, they are excusable because lists a bunch of stuff Trump did

If that's not what you're saying, then go ahead and explain how Biden's actions are excusable, why supporting him is defensible, without doing a whataboutism by bringing up Trump doing the same thing. As the other commenter requested.

I swear, whataboutism is just something y'all made up where the only rule is "I'm always right." What a load of bull.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

Whataboutism would be if I said "Biden's support for the Gaza genocide is acceptable because Trump rapes little girls". What I actually said was "Biden's warmongering is nowhere near as severe as Trump's warmongering".

And the difference matters, because the context was a tweet that says "If you vote for Biden, you will be at war, so you should vote for Trump".

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago

Whataboutism would be if I said “Biden’s support for the Gaza genocide is acceptable because Trump rapes little girls”. What I actually said was “Biden’s warmongering is nowhere near as severe as Trump’s warmongering”.

That's complete bullshit. There's no requirement that you change the topic of the thing in question, that's 100% arbitrary.

If someone criticized China for saber-rattling with Taiwan, and in response I brought up that the US had not only saber-rattled but actually conducted full scale invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, would that be a whataboutism? Because I would certainly expect to see people lob the accusation at me.

because the context was a tweet that says “If you vote for Biden, you will be at war, so you should vote for Trump”.

The context is a comment thread where someone said that the first parts of the tweet were correct, but not the line endorsing Trump. You're being very dishonest by ignoring that. If you want to make a comment about the tweet in full, then make a top-level comment.

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