If you go against it you have reprogramming training classes.

No, that’s not a thing.

We even have Chinese police stations here in Canada

No, you don’t. That’s not a real thing, either. You’re just regurgitating Cold War II propaganda nonsense you saw on TV.

This is not me reading it on the web, this is coworkers at the house when it happens to their room mates.

Why are you making shit up? At this point I think you made the company up, too.

It woukd seem you are being paid to promote China propaganda, or you are severely deluded to what goes on there.

I think you’re projecting. Why are you peddling anti-China lies for free?

A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive.

During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

Please use some critical thinking here.

I am. They lead me to believe you’re full of shit.

Chinese citizens have to tow the line. The company I worked for had operations there, when our guys meet with counterparts then and ask probing questions everyone clams up, and one off to the side says we can’t talk about bad things.

If you go against it you have reprogramming training classes.

So your "evidence" for that is a personal anecdote + trust me bro? Assuming you're not just making shit (it's not verifiable, as anecdotes tends to be) can you give examples of the kind of "probing questions" your guys asked? Also, did you personally witness the meeting or were you just told about it by your guys afterward?

Looks to me like your little story is full of holes at best.

We even have Chinese police stations here in Canada and they go knocking on doors because a Chinese citizen has said something negative about the homeland. And coerce them into going back to the mainland. This is not me reading it on the web, this is coworkers at the house when it happens to their room mates.

Ah, yes. China totally has a nation spanning network of secret police stations (with all the 10s of 1000s or more personnel and tons of equipment that would imply) in Canada that Canada either somehow didn't notice or won't do anything about for some reason. A guy you know told you, so it must be true! Trust me bro!

If your gonna make shit up or repeat shit made up by someone else, you should at least try to make it not completely nonsensical.

Stop trying to make China a utopia it is not. I agree with Socialism, but not a dictatorship.

No one said anything about China being "a utopia" and you know it.

You know how ridiculous your narrative about China being a 1984 tech-dystopia that will track you down to the end of the world sounds and how badly it holds up to scrutiny, so instead of defending your narrative (since you can't really) you try to flip the table around and pretend that we are the one with a ridiculous narrative by pretending that we consider China "a utopia" when none of what we have said points to that at all.

I see it, and anyone who isn't already indoctrinated by you narrative can easily see it too.

It woukd seem you are being paid to promote China propaganda, or you are severely deluded to what goes on there.

"If you believe something other that what I believe, you must either have been paid to say you do or be stupid/insane." A cheap excuse to dismiss criticism without having to think about it or come up with an actual counter-argument.

A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive. Please use some critical thinking here.

That, my friend, is what we call an "irrefutable argument", and it's a fallacy. "Chinese peoples aren't happy with their government, and if they say they are it's because the government forces them to." It's a bullshit excuse to immediately reject any evidence that doesn't agree with your narrative.

You're not refuting our point, you're just coming up with excuses to dismiss it without having to think about an actual reason it might be wrong (because you can't, and until you do I'll continue to affirm that you can't).