ICE Out for Good vigils and rallies are being tracked online by Indivisible, the group behind the No Kings protests

More than a thousand protests are planned across the US this Saturday and Sunday after an ICE agent killed US citizen Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis this week.

“This weekend, people all over are coming together not just to mourn the lives lost to ICE violence, but to confront a pattern of harm that has torn families apart and terrorized our communities,” said Leah Greenberg, co-executive director of Indivisible, an organizer of “ICE Out for Good Weekend of Action”.

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[+] -11 points 10 months ago (40 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (35 children)

    Frankly I can't think of any movement or resitance in history that didn't involve either a protest or violence at some point.

    You refuse to accept that protesting builds movements to the point where they can create large action. Certainly was part of the civil rights movement.

    I definently support the people actually going to and organizing protesters a whole lot more than someone bitching online that this isn't enough. Go ahead be the change you want to see

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    The civil rights movement was successful because of the economic violence of the Montgomery bus boycott which went on for over a year. If they tried today's method of a few hours on a random Saturday they would still be protesting.

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  • [+] -2 points 10 months ago (34 children)
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    The tactics of the civil rights movement worked THEN. They will not work NOW.

    General strikes and Civil disobedience won't work now?

    Kinda running out of options that don't involve guns bud.

    You just cannot accept that this country is done

    Oh gotcha you're just not even wanting to try anything at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    You're both right, but seems like you're both just trying to prove the other wrong. Keep protesting, keep showing up, but imagine how much more effective it would be if those protesters were armed. Openly armed. You don't even need to bring ammo, just make it clear that the left - that most Americans can fight too.

    We're probably not voting our way out of this, we'll just vote it back into the shadows. ICE has been around for decades, surveillance state for decades, broken police system for centuries (?), liberal/neoliberal economy for decades, our government more and more a plutocracy for decades which has held the monopoly on violence.

    Solutions via option A or B would be great, but the threat of option C must be on the table. If you're holding a gun and I'm holding a sign, then we aren't negotiating on equal footing.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    General strikes and Civil disobedience won't work now?

    Are they happening now? Or is everyone having another "We Don't Like Trump Convention" for a weekend before they clean everything up nicely and go home in time to be at work on Monday?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Are you doing anything other than judging others online? You are welcome to organize something.

    But in context of the conversation they said that the methods used during the civil rights movement wouldn't work now. Those methods were general strike and civil disobedience. Hence why I was asking why the commentator thought they wouldn't work today

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    Ah so you're not even American and are basically only familiar with what you get from the news or lemmy.

    No I don't expect you to come here and fix things. Better?

    Also totally ignoring what the original context was. So cool

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran. Mass protests directly led to multiple regime changes around the world in just the last 6 months.

    The only ones who don't want you to protest are those in power. Hence why places with less well enshrined rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly keep passing laws to try to ban effective methods of protest

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So...you're saying that protest which has worked and is currently to effect change in other countries, and which has worked previously in the United States, can't possibly work right now in the United States as we enter an election year?

    Enjoy licking those boots!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    What is the argument that you're trying to make? First it's "protest isn't effective" then it's "protest doesn't work anymore" then it's "protest doesn't work anymore in the US" and now it seems to be "but protest can be slightly dangerous sometimes?" Your arguments are disingenuous at best.

    If protest wasn't effective the governments being protested wouldn't be attempting to make the protests illegal nor killing protestors and civilians.

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    I’m saying different tactics work in different places against different governments.

    This is self-evident. Different forms of protest can be more or less effective in different contexts. But protest in general has been effective the world over for many centuries

    Having protests banned isn’t a sign of it being effective.

    If protest was ineffective the government wouldn't be trying to ban it, they'd be saying "oh there was a protest? I didn't notice!" instead of passing legislation to stop them

    What is the goal/point of No Kings and 5051?

    Rejection of the manufactured consent that Republicans have been trying to pass a guise of. Protest creates unity for those protesting, encourages further action and increased political awareness and participation. It breaks media narratives. A protest with hundreds of events spread across 50 states with 7 million participants shows a strong rejection of the actions of the federal government and completely breaks all talk of the Republicans having a "clear mandate from the voters" like they were trying to claim at the beginning of 2025. These are not tangible effects but they are extremely important when the federal government not only fails to represent its population but turns its guns upon its own people

    Absolutely not. And so they are ineffective. The answer is not more of the same.

    So what are you doing then? At least we're out here protesting and not taking it lying down. Change doesn't happen overnight and it takes work.

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    You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran.

    And how many people died in those protests? You need to be ready to defend yourselves and until Americans are willing to do anything with the slightest risk to it nothing will change.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Nothing can happen until the November election.

    No Kings needs to organize and flip every red seat they can. It seems likely the House will flip. It's POSSIBLE (but unlikely) the Senate will flip.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    You're not going to vote your way out of fascism. They'll just refuse to seat any Democrat that gets elected. They did that for a month already and faced zero consequences for doing so.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing can happen until the November election.

    If you do nothing until November they will spend that time making sure nothing happens in November: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/house-passes-gops-sweeping-anti-voting-bill/

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    That's just the way elections work. There's no process for changing things midstream and the Democrats are not in power.

    Once the election flips the House and possibly the Senate, then we can move forward.

    The #1 thing people need to do before November is organize. Get people registered, get people to vote. Make it clear that the Republican party is intellectually, fiscally, and morally bankrupt.

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  • [+] -4 points 10 months ago (15 children)
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    Not sure what makes you think No Kings and 5051 are dead, they're still going and will only get stronger as we get closer to election season.

    There will be a next election because elections are run at the state and local levels, the feds can't stop it even if they wanted to.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (14 children)
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    Organizing 7 million people to protest on the same day was a huge feat.

    To put that in perspective, the margin between Trump and Harris was only 2 million.

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    Getting people organized is the first step, getting them to actually vote is the second. That's where we're at in 2026.

    If they succeed in motivating people to vote out the Republicans, that's all it takes.

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    Organizing and voting is the action.

    A revolution is a pipe dream, it's not happening.

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    I've been alive through this before...

    1969-1976
    1981-1992
    2001-2008
    2017-2020
    2025-2028

    There have only been a few Democratic breaks:

    1977-1980
    1993-2000
    2008-2016
    2021-2024

    It will likely flip back in 2028, but we have to flip the House back in 2026, ideally the House and Senate but that's unlikely.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    It will likely flip back in 2028, but we have to flip the House back in 2026, ideally the House and Senate but that's unlikely.

    JFC, that's the solution? Wait 10 months and hopefully flip house but probably not the Senate?

    Then everything returns to the stagnant status quo that resulted in this situation in the first place. Dems continue to be toothless, Republicans continue to prevent anything from happening, continue to face zero consequences, and are further emboldened to go even further next time because why the fuck not? Either they succeeded in the fascist takeover or nothing happens and they just try again.

    That's the best you can hope for?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    That's the only recourse short of a revolution or a civil war which would be 1000x more destructive.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    If going back to doing nothing and kicking the can down the road is the only way to avoid a civil war then I have bad news for you: you're not avoiding anything, you're just trying to delay it for another 4 years while things continue to get worse and more people get killed.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    "More people" = < 20 vs a civil war with tens to hundreds of thousands dead? 🤔

    The last civil war we had killed 600,000 to 700,000 and that's without modern weapons.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    The last civil war we had killed 600,000 to 700,000 and that's without modern weapons.

    I agree, as time goes on a Civil war gets more destructive.

    Therefore, delaying a civil war by 4-8 years will result in more destruction than if citizens stand up for themselves now. Either way, according to your arguments the civil war will happen eventually.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Citizens ARE standing up for themselves now, that's what the protests and elections are for. 😉

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Protests are only taking action if they are disruptive. Standing in a corner with signs while people go about their day is as effective as sharing memes on Lemmy.

    Wait for Elections is waiting 10 months, not taking action now.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Disruptive protests only turn off your intended audience. You THINK you're disrupting the powers that be, you aren't, they take no notice of you and you turn away the people who would ordinarily be on your side.

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