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[–] 79 points 10 months ago (35 children)

Am I out of the loop? what's wrong with zsh?

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  • [–] 125 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Classic linux tribalism. Use what you like and don't get involved with these confrontational nerds.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    I mean, there's some things that became validly toxic due to their developers, example off the top of my head: Reiserfs

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    True, software can call you a slur.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    It's permissively-licensed (as opposed to bash, which is GPLv3). Pushing zsh over bash is part of a larger effort by corporations to marginalize copyleft so they can more easily exploit Free Software at the users' expense. Don't fall for it!

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    It's such a shame that, if zsh gains enough critical mass, all copies of its source code will be deleted from the universe and no-one will be able to use it without paying any more.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It's such a shame that you can't customize the version of zsh running on your Linux-based embedded device because it's DRM'd to prevent the modified version from being installed.

    ...oh wait, that's not sarcasm because it's actually plausible.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Cool.

    And what, exactly, is the path from "pushing back on zsh" to "embedded device manufacturers can no longer lock down their devices?"

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    A plausible path is precedent and normalization, not zsh specifically.

    If a widely used copyleft component (like a shell) starts being accepted as β€œOK to lock down” in consumer or embedded devices, manufacturers and courts get comfortable with the idea that user-modifiable software is optional rather than a right tied to distribution. Over time, that erodes enforcement of anti-tivoization principles and weakens the practical force of copyleft licenses across the stack.

    Once that norm shifts, vendors can apply the same logic to kernels, drivers, bootloaders, and userland as a wholeβ€”at which point locked-down embedded devices stop being the exception and become the default, even when the software is nominally open source.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand. It's already ok to "lock down" devices, from the point of view of most consumers and the courts, regardless of the software license. Phones make it hard for you to flash new firmware onto them. That is still true with android and the open source components in its stack.

    Using bsd licensed software in every day life cannot accelerate that because it has already happened, and I don't see how it would be otherwise, because software licensing doesn't protect against the kind of locking down you're talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Shit I didn’t know this was a problem. What devices are these? I’m assuming we’ve got a few in every home?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's called tivoization and started with a device called "Tivo" which was the first of its kind to attempt this procedure.

    There are probably lots of hardware devices in your house that use GPL software but prevent you from actually modifying it because the hardware will refuse to run modified copies. If a piece of software is licensed GPLv3, it would violate the license terms to do something like this.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Unrelated to the topic: How did you make your username red?

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