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THUS I CLAIM NORTH AMERICA (lemmy.world)
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[–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It may well be that they have lost control, as the German economic elite did with Hitler at the time, but I consider that unlikely, because there is so much dirt on this pedo that the elite can easily bring him down as soon as he falls out of favor.

What dirt could possibly bring Trump down? His bootlicking followers are conditioned to dismiss or justify everything, up to and including literal pedophilia.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    He gets away with everything because he controls the media through his billionaire friends - both traditional media and social media (Truth Social, which he owns, has little reach). Likewise, it is not him who controls people like Clarence Thomas for example (that would be billionaire Harlon Crow). So I'd say he is only untouchable because he acts in the interests of the elite. If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

    I think it's a foregone conclusion that the elite pushed him into the highest political office precisely because he is such a disgusting, perverted scumbag. That means there is more than enough dirt on him to bring him down. With Hitler, it was different.

    Of course, it is always possible that he will use ICE, which is obviously a secret police force, against the elite, but I think it is rather unlikely that he actually has enough power to do so.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

    How? People have spent over a decade of their lives, isolating themselves from former friends and family in their worship of the orange rapist. The sunk cost fallacy is here deep.

    I appreciate that you're trying to highlight the deeper fundamental problem that could lead to a repeat of this situation even when Trump is gone, but I think you're really underselling just how much of a fucking cult Trump has cultivated, and how immensely idiotic, immoral, and hypocritical his followers are.

    Remember that as late the 1950s, a slim majority of Germans still thought positively of Hitler.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    Do you really think that MAGA foot soldiers are the main reason he was never prosecuted? I mean, he also has millions of opponents among the US population -and they obviously have no real influence whatsoever. That's just how it is in a plutocracy: power lies not with the people, but with the elites.

    It's true, of course, that he has built a cult of personality around himself, but I think that was only possible because his supporters are so easily influenced. And the media, which he controls only through his connections, plays a key role in this. I mean, it's not like MAGA has its own opinion: they have no values, they just follow. Whether they actually follow the orange rapist or rather the racist organizations that make up this "movement" is questionable, in my opinion. It may well be that they are indeed Drump disciples, but at the moment, they are all pulling in the same direction with their Nazi agenda with plenty of opportunities for other oportunists to enrich themselves while doing so. However, if Drump were to turn against the forces that are also very influential in these circles, it could become apparent that it is less about Drump and more about the political agenda behind this figurehead - also about opportunities for rather mid-level MAGA-functionaries to get rich with this ruse.

    That may not necessarily be the case, but I don't think it can be ruled out, as Drump could never have achieved this status without extremely influential help - the man was a B-list celebrity and little more than a ridiculous TV personality, a failure who actually managed to squander pretty much his entire father's fortune through incredible stupidity. I don't think he was clever or influential enough to get to where he is now even halfway on his own. That's why I consider him a straw man and very much doubt that he is actually the one controlling the cult - I consider him merely the face, and in my opinion, that is interchangeable, as MAGA is so completely adaptable in its concerns.

    So I don't think Drump would risk a conflict with his elite supporters - he just earns too much from their existing agreement

    To put it this way: I consider Drump to be nothing more than an opportunist, and therefore I consider him more comparable to Hermann Göring than to Adolf Hitler. For Drump, Nazi ideology is more of a means to an end, although he is certainly a racist, but even so, if in doubt, he would probably choose to maintain his degenerate lifestyle rather than persuade Nazi ideology with all it's implications (for example he would never turn on Israel because they are his fascist allies even if they are jewish which is incompatible with "pure" Nazi-Ideology).

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