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Ricky Gervais pushes back against anti-trans joke criticism: 'I think I'm right' (www.thepinknews.com)
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[–] 3 points 10 months ago (14 children)

what was the joke? want to judge him appropriately, though the way he is doubling down is sus already

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Within the act, he tried to joke about “old-fashioned women. They’re the ones with wombs.”

    “Those f****** dinosaurs,” he continued. Mocking trans women, the comedian added: “I love the new women. They’re great, aren’t they? The new ones we’ve been seeing lately. The ones with beards and c****.”

    In the same show, he declared: “OK, full disclosure, in real life, of course, I support trans rights.

    “I support all human rights and trans rights are human rights. Live your best life. Use your preferred pronoun.”

    However, he followed that statement up with: “But meet me halfway, ladies. Lose the c***. That’s all I’m saying.”

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think it's bad to make trans jokes. You should be able to joke about everything.

    But why it sounds like he doesn't even try to make a joke. He's just trying to say cunt or cock or whatever the fuck you censored for some reason

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    This is taken directly from the article. I didn't censor anything.

    And I'm fine with jokes about anything, but they need to be in good taste. These aren't in good taste.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Jokes absolutely do not need to be in "good taste" because that's extremely subjective

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Edit: who the fuck censors 'cock'?! I'm leaving my original comment below because it highlights how unhelpful censoring words is for discussion. The actual word he said was 'cock', not what I guessed - which makes some of what i said below not make sense, but doesn't actually make his statement less transphobic.

    (Apologies in advance to anyone who does not like to read the 'c-word', perhaps skip my comment if this is you)

    What does that last part even mean, in context of his clarifying statement, or 'as a joke'? Maybe I am just not getting it.

    “I support all human rights and trans rights are human rights. Live your best life. Use your preferred pronoun.”

    “But meet me halfway, [trans] ladies. Lose the cunt. That’s all I’m saying.”

    If post-OP trans women had surgery to change their body back to not having a 'cunt' they'd be back to having body dysmorphia, which misunderstands their primary malady. Its also said so frivolously - as though trans bottom-surgery is a minor op you can just change your mind on at whim. It completly undercuts his former comments of support.

    As far as I can see the joke is that he doesn't really support trans rights and he's just 'saying the things you have to say now' with a wink to his audience, and then clarifying that he's not really an ally, fuck em lol. That's the 'joke', right?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing the word is actually cock/cocks.

    Either way yikes.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    and i was confused about the c*** censored version. I thought losing their cock is just what trans women generally want to (or did). Thanks for spelling it out, but now I'm even more confused.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I made the wrong assumption too, because losing a cock is generally the major goal of trans women.. So it made no sense to me and I presumed cunt as it would be more logical to censor.

    I looked up the original now and confirmed It is 'cock', so I went off on somewhat of a tangent..

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    you know what helps us lose the cock? better support and funding for trans healthcare ... something like half of all trans women would like a vaginoplasty but something like 12% are actually able to make it happen

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