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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago (16 children) ...Except for 1920 to 1933... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] derry@midwest.social 21 points 10 months ago (6 children) Except for the bootleggers and speakeasies, wink wink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 1 point 10 months ago And meat pie enthusiasts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) Sure, but lack of access actually did reduce general consumption. The average person doesn't drink more during prohibition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] derry@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 child) Agreed. And the average person doesn't drink 4 long island ice teas at outback. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Right, the average person's just there for a Bloomin' Onion and a Half Rack permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Lack of access only reduced consumption among those who lost access. For those who were consuming bootleg their consumption increased. Often to harder liqours for obvious reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah. That's the point. Reducing access has an effect. That's basic basic economics. So is the expectation that forbidding the sale of something so easy to make would create a robust informal market. But informal markets usually lock out casual consumers as they don't care or want to spend the time or effort to find a trustworthy contact for A bottle of wine. This isn't rocket science, this is super basic economics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (5 children) Alcohol consumption went up for many people. Way up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) For some. Which is not enough to raise averages. Look, I've just finished a bottle of wine, so I'm no teatotler. But what data does exist shows the immediate post-21st Amendment years as lower than pre-18th years. Prohibition was an overall failure, and I celebrate Repeal Day. but it did actually reduce the national average of alcohol consumption for a time. https://theconversation.com/how-prohibition-changed-the-way-americans-drink-100-years-ago-129854 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Does that track reported consumption or alcohol related ailments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Just consumption permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Ha jokes on you, my great great grandfather ran a mule train up from Mexico loaded with liquor. Traded it for hard ciders and shine from the other Celtic families in the area, kept a mule worth himself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago One set of my great grandparents met as a "musician for a speakeasy" (given some stories there's no way it was just that) and a dancer for one. Which makes it extra hilarious how much their daughter (one of my grandmas) really really obsessed over having the appearance of being high society. Definitely an over-correction. Ended up marrying into money, but was never high society. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Right, and your folks smoked less weed too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derry@midwest.social 21 points 10 months ago (6 children) Except for the bootleggers and speakeasies, wink wink. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 1 point 10 months ago And meat pie enthusiasts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) Sure, but lack of access actually did reduce general consumption. The average person doesn't drink more during prohibition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] derry@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 child) Agreed. And the average person doesn't drink 4 long island ice teas at outback. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Right, the average person's just there for a Bloomin' Onion and a Half Rack permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Lack of access only reduced consumption among those who lost access. For those who were consuming bootleg their consumption increased. Often to harder liqours for obvious reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah. That's the point. Reducing access has an effect. That's basic basic economics. So is the expectation that forbidding the sale of something so easy to make would create a robust informal market. But informal markets usually lock out casual consumers as they don't care or want to spend the time or effort to find a trustworthy contact for A bottle of wine. This isn't rocket science, this is super basic economics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 1 point 10 months ago And meat pie enthusiasts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) Sure, but lack of access actually did reduce general consumption. The average person doesn't drink more during prohibition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] derry@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 child) Agreed. And the average person doesn't drink 4 long island ice teas at outback. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Right, the average person's just there for a Bloomin' Onion and a Half Rack permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Lack of access only reduced consumption among those who lost access. For those who were consuming bootleg their consumption increased. Often to harder liqours for obvious reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah. That's the point. Reducing access has an effect. That's basic basic economics. So is the expectation that forbidding the sale of something so easy to make would create a robust informal market. But informal markets usually lock out casual consumers as they don't care or want to spend the time or effort to find a trustworthy contact for A bottle of wine. This isn't rocket science, this is super basic economics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derry@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 child) Agreed. And the average person doesn't drink 4 long island ice teas at outback. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Right, the average person's just there for a Bloomin' Onion and a Half Rack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Right, the average person's just there for a Bloomin' Onion and a Half Rack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Lack of access only reduced consumption among those who lost access. For those who were consuming bootleg their consumption increased. Often to harder liqours for obvious reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah. That's the point. Reducing access has an effect. That's basic basic economics. So is the expectation that forbidding the sale of something so easy to make would create a robust informal market. But informal markets usually lock out casual consumers as they don't care or want to spend the time or effort to find a trustworthy contact for A bottle of wine. This isn't rocket science, this is super basic economics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah. That's the point. Reducing access has an effect. That's basic basic economics. So is the expectation that forbidding the sale of something so easy to make would create a robust informal market. But informal markets usually lock out casual consumers as they don't care or want to spend the time or effort to find a trustworthy contact for A bottle of wine. This isn't rocket science, this is super basic economics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (5 children) Alcohol consumption went up for many people. Way up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) For some. Which is not enough to raise averages. Look, I've just finished a bottle of wine, so I'm no teatotler. But what data does exist shows the immediate post-21st Amendment years as lower than pre-18th years. Prohibition was an overall failure, and I celebrate Repeal Day. but it did actually reduce the national average of alcohol consumption for a time. https://theconversation.com/how-prohibition-changed-the-way-americans-drink-100-years-ago-129854 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Does that track reported consumption or alcohol related ailments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Just consumption permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) For some. Which is not enough to raise averages. Look, I've just finished a bottle of wine, so I'm no teatotler. But what data does exist shows the immediate post-21st Amendment years as lower than pre-18th years. Prohibition was an overall failure, and I celebrate Repeal Day. but it did actually reduce the national average of alcohol consumption for a time. https://theconversation.com/how-prohibition-changed-the-way-americans-drink-100-years-ago-129854 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Does that track reported consumption or alcohol related ailments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Just consumption permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Does that track reported consumption or alcohol related ailments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Just consumption permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Just consumption permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Not sure how reliable it is, then. Or it could be that drinking culture bifurcated, where casual drinking stopped, and you either made it your life or did without, and a lot of the former category fucking died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 point 10 months ago Yeah, exactly. Tons of economics research shows how often people don't step out of line, so lack of access has real effects. Prohibition locked out casual drinkers and people with no trustworthy connect to a bootlegger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Ha jokes on you, my great great grandfather ran a mule train up from Mexico loaded with liquor. Traded it for hard ciders and shine from the other Celtic families in the area, kept a mule worth himself though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago One set of my great grandparents met as a "musician for a speakeasy" (given some stories there's no way it was just that) and a dancer for one. Which makes it extra hilarious how much their daughter (one of my grandmas) really really obsessed over having the appearance of being high society. Definitely an over-correction. Ended up marrying into money, but was never high society. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago One set of my great grandparents met as a "musician for a speakeasy" (given some stories there's no way it was just that) and a dancer for one. Which makes it extra hilarious how much their daughter (one of my grandmas) really really obsessed over having the appearance of being high society. Definitely an over-correction. Ended up marrying into money, but was never high society. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Right, and your folks smoked less weed too. permalink fedilink source parent
