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I love choice. I hate choosing. (files.catbox.moe)
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[–] 14 points 10 months ago (33 children)

mint doesnt even offer kde, i dont see the point.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    cant use gnome after realizing all the terrible usability choices/lack of customizability options is deliberate, people really will powertrip/gatekeep the weirdest shit

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think Zorin OS did a really good job at customizing Gnome to make it the way it should have been. As for limiting customizeability, I don't think that's necessarily bad. Sometimes I get overwhelmed by KDE's customization options. Vanilla Gnome has too little. Zorin's desktop is just right.

    But that's my opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    KDE's still available in mint. They don't strip it out of the repos. Just one install command away ... sudo apt install kde-full right? (or clicky clicky through the gui package manager).

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You can absolutely do that.

    But do be careful with kde-full if you're running very old hardware. I'm talking about <4gb DDR3, CPUs from Obama's first term etc.

    I'm not saying KDE's "bloated"; I am still in absolute shock at how light it is compared to Windows.

    But if you are dealing with hardware that needs a daily lethal dose of donepezil, opt for kde-standard

    (Difficult lesson I learned)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    still in absolute shock at how light it is compared to Windows

    KDE's still the bloatiest we have though.

    Would be nice if Trinity (KDE3) were still ubiquitously available across all distros' repos.

    Or I suppose we could just strip alllll the bloat, and use something like IceWM for a classic "Windows" feel. (Or LXDE. XFCE (bit bloatier), or any of a dozen(+) other DE/WM following that model (panel & startmenu)).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    @Digit @tourist TDE is bloated too.; It's good alternative to KDE, but if you have really resource-limited system, it's better to use some WM

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Heh, I was just suggesting IceWM (again) or JWM to someone on another thread, and then this^ is the very next thing I see.

    I still have a soft-spot for Trinity(KDE3) though. It being where I started my GNU+Linux adventure. Completely confirmed my decision to leave Windows in 2003.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    They can try Kubuntu (or whatever) live whenever they're ready. Beginners just need something that works with minimal configuration.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    kubuntu is trash. you have to wait forever for kde updates and not everyone wants to use ubuntu / derivatives. it just seems like everyone is so stubborn and just says mint. tons of distros "just work" out of the box with minimal configuration, even some based on arch.

    really i only have one opinion here that im strong on, and its that i feel cinnamon is a waste of time for many (new people).

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    If you know what KDE is you can make an informed choice. Mint is the recommendation for people who just want something easy to get started with.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    this touches on my point exactly. i find that due to the "over recommendation" of mint/cinnamon, that many new people will inevitably "waste time" with cinnamon. this is a feeling i have that frustrates me, is all. KDE is exactly as easy to get started with as is cinnamon.

    anyway cheers :)

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Exactly. I never see people actually liking Cinnamon as a DE, but everyone keeps recommending Mint. It's so frustrating, and perplexing.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If Mint would just treat KDE as first class like it used to, I would be inclined to recommend it more often. Not as often as Fedora KDE β€” which has always seemed to have the best hardware support of all major distros β€” but at least I wouldn’t feel the need to fight people for recommending Mint to new users. Blindly recommending something as clunky and outdated as Mint and Cinnamon to new Windows expats is a great way to earn Linux a bad reputation just as things are looking up.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Cinnamon >>>>>>> KDE, you can install KDE regardless, but cinnamon is plainly better IMO.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Why is it better? KDE has more features and first-class Wayland support. If I wanted an X11 DE, I would choose XFCE because of its general clean code and performance.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    it comes to personal preference i guess, but i find KDE clunky at times and not that ergonomic, even when you customize it a bit, like adding centre spaces to put things in the panels.

    Cinnamon feels polished and relatively simple while still being highly customizable.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You're not wrong. I think there's definitely room for some improvements.

    And sometimes too many customizations can become confusing. I tend to keep everything vanilla to avoid things breaking, except for a few things. I installed a Win 10 theme and even a Win 10 style Tile start menu because I love the concept so much.

    I know it's controversial in a Linux community, but I absolutely LOVED the Windows 10 ergonomics. Square, flat, predictable, and your eyes can quickly pick up the necessary information and you can navigate faster with a mouse. Plus with the Powertoys that added the fancy zones feature, that was perfect. I get all of this in KDE.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    is reasonable to say, that W10, specially years ago, was one of the good windows, specially with a debloater.

    there were a lot of shit in the middle but yeah, Cinnamon feels like "what if the windows desktop was made with love and passion".

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    wdym by ergonomic in this context, may i ask?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    you get to develop muscle memory faster, configurations are easier to find, and things start simple and become complex when you need them to get complex instead of always be kinda complex.

    Also, I hate dolphin, it is quite bad, you can't open files with sudo directly, you have to navigate trough various menus to find the button for that, is also harder to read IMO.

    i think i explained it poorly, but i mean you get the hang of things faster, and usually stuff is where is more convenient for for them to be.

    I don't hate KDE, if Cinnamon wasn't a thing, i would go for it, but as things stands now, I prefer cinnamon.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    hey right on, appreciate the thoughtful reply. i cant say i share the same experience, but now i understand where youre coming from.

    side note, im new(ish) to lemmy and im really appreciating the quality of the takes im seeing on here. refreshing feeling, so cheers to adding to that.

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