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[–] texture@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (33 children)

mint doesnt even offer kde, i dont see the point.

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[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Why is it better? KDE has more features and first-class Wayland support. If I wanted an X11 DE, I would choose XFCE because of its general clean code and performance.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 4 points 10 months ago (9 children)

it comes to personal preference i guess, but i find KDE clunky at times and not that ergonomic, even when you customize it a bit, like adding centre spaces to put things in the panels.

Cinnamon feels polished and relatively simple while still being highly customizable.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

You're not wrong. I think there's definitely room for some improvements.

And sometimes too many customizations can become confusing. I tend to keep everything vanilla to avoid things breaking, except for a few things. I installed a Win 10 theme and even a Win 10 style Tile start menu because I love the concept so much.

I know it's controversial in a Linux community, but I absolutely LOVED the Windows 10 ergonomics. Square, flat, predictable, and your eyes can quickly pick up the necessary information and you can navigate faster with a mouse. Plus with the Powertoys that added the fancy zones feature, that was perfect. I get all of this in KDE.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

wdym by ergonomic in this context, may i ask?

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

you get to develop muscle memory faster, configurations are easier to find, and things start simple and become complex when you need them to get complex instead of always be kinda complex.

Also, I hate dolphin, it is quite bad, you can't open files with sudo directly, you have to navigate trough various menus to find the button for that, is also harder to read IMO.

i think i explained it poorly, but i mean you get the hang of things faster, and usually stuff is where is more convenient for for them to be.

I don't hate KDE, if Cinnamon wasn't a thing, i would go for it, but as things stands now, I prefer cinnamon.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

hey right on, appreciate the thoughtful reply. i cant say i share the same experience, but now i understand where youre coming from.

side note, im new(ish) to lemmy and im really appreciating the quality of the takes im seeing on here. refreshing feeling, so cheers to adding to that.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

Hey! Welcome to the fediverse!

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

ty kindly :)

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

For sure this place feels way more civilized than your average corner of the internet, maybe because 11 of every 10 people in this space, is a huge nerd rooting for this space to succeed!

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

hell yeah

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

cant use gnome after realizing all the terrible usability choices/lack of customizability options is deliberate, people really will powertrip/gatekeep the weirdest shit

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

I think Zorin OS did a really good job at customizing Gnome to make it the way it should have been. As for limiting customizeability, I don't think that's necessarily bad. Sometimes I get overwhelmed by KDE's customization options. Vanilla Gnome has too little. Zorin's desktop is just right.

But that's my opinion.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

yeah i dont hate gnome users or even if i have to use gnome, but i do hate the conceptual approach to functionality they take, as you mention.

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

KDE's still available in mint. They don't strip it out of the repos. Just one install command away ... sudo apt install kde-full right? (or clicky clicky through the gui package manager).

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[–] tourist@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You can absolutely do that.

But do be careful with kde-full if you're running very old hardware. I'm talking about <4gb DDR3, CPUs from Obama's first term etc.

I'm not saying KDE's "bloated"; I am still in absolute shock at how light it is compared to Windows.

But if you are dealing with hardware that needs a daily lethal dose of donepezil, opt for kde-standard

(Difficult lesson I learned)

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[–] mittorn@masturbated.one 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

@Digit @tourist TDE is bloated too.; It's good alternative to KDE, but if you have really resource-limited system, it's better to use some WM

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 point 10 months ago

Heh, I was just suggesting IceWM (again) or JWM to someone on another thread, and then this^ is the very next thing I see.

I still have a soft-spot for Trinity(KDE3) though. It being where I started my GNU+Linux adventure. Completely confirmed my decision to leave Windows in 2003.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago

right, but im talking about new people unknowingly wasting time on it. new people dont know to just sudo apt install kde-full, and they may waste months on cinnamon.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They can try Kubuntu (or whatever) live whenever they're ready. Beginners just need something that works with minimal configuration.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

kubuntu is trash

That's like... your opinion, man.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

true

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[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 1 point 9 months ago

I added the backports ppa for Kubuntu and it gets updates quickly

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If you know what KDE is you can make an informed choice. Mint is the recommendation for people who just want something easy to get started with.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

this touches on my point exactly. i find that due to the "over recommendation" of mint/cinnamon, that many new people will inevitably "waste time" with cinnamon. this is a feeling i have that frustrates me, is all. KDE is exactly as easy to get started with as is cinnamon.

anyway cheers :)

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

Exactly. I never see people actually liking Cinnamon as a DE, but everyone keeps recommending Mint. It's so frustrating, and perplexing.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

If Mint would just treat KDE as first class like it used to, I would be inclined to recommend it more often. Not as often as Fedora KDE — which has always seemed to have the best hardware support of all major distros — but at least I wouldn’t feel the need to fight people for recommending Mint to new users. Blindly recommending something as clunky and outdated as Mint and Cinnamon to new Windows expats is a great way to earn Linux a bad reputation just as things are looking up.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

quite refreshing to get some support on this opinion. cheers

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[–] zewm@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Nah. I’m a gamer and need something with more up to date packages. I can’t rely on Debian / Ubuntu base.

Fedora and Arch base are my go to.

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[–] lockhart@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago

If you know what you want then you're not the person depicted in this comic.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

I'm a gamer too and i'm not sure what is about that, everything seems fine on the 6.12 kernel LMDE is on.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Ditto. Also a gamer on Linux Mint and never once had a problem.

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[–] librekitty@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

bazzite?

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[–] zewm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I used Bazzite for a bit and I like the direction of the project. I’m still not happy with where Flatpak is and so I switched to CachyOS for now.

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[–] blah3166@piefed.social 4 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I've been gaming on Debian (granted, with the backports kernel). What am I missing? Everything works and I've had zero issues.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 10 months ago*

The present-day Linux kernel tree (not the Debian guys) actually has a target to build a Debian kernel package (make bindeb-pkg) straight out of git if you want, so you can pretty readily get a packaged kernel out of the Linux kernel git repo, as long as you can come up with a viable build config for it (probably starting from a recent Debian kernel's config). I have run off Debian-packaged kernels built that way before, if you want to play on the really bleeding edge.

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[–] highball@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yep, been gaming on Ubuntu for decades. Zero issue. Occasionally have to do a thing, but it's Linux, so you know; everything is always do able.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

maybe youve always been using 2 year or older hardware *shrug

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[–] highball@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

Or maybe I just run the mainline kernel in the cases I need it.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago

i'll admit it, i was partially memeing

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 points 10 months ago

I'm using Kubuntu LTS and I'm gaming just fine.

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[–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Bazzite is good now and you don’t have to spend hours trying to install Nvidia drivers

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

in linux mint there is a buton, that says "driver installer" you press on it, select what version (choose the recommended one) then press install.

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[–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

I did not know that! I was thinking about my issues on Debian and assumed Mint had a similar process

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 points 10 months ago

if you use LMDE is still a bit easier because the sources are already added, "sudo apt install nvidia-driver" and then use the envy control program to configure it properly.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

lol no. Completely failed to run 90% of my games and had audio popping no matter what I did with pulsewire or whatever. If a noob encounters that they’re never using Linux again.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

how long ago was that? what GPU? what kernel version?

is something odd

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

Six months ago??? People were saying to use mint back then too, like every thread. I understand it’s completely based on your hardware but you can understand how it’s hard to trust anyone saying mint right? On the other hand CachyOS and Garuda both work really hard to make sure every hardware config works properly.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 1 point 10 months ago

Well, they updated it, they updated it heavily.