▲ 59 ▼ Western "anticapitalists" be like (reddthat.com) submitted 10 months ago by Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com to c/memes@lemmy.ml 43 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com [S] 20 points 10 months ago (7 children) Yes, Cuba is a good example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (6 children) I'm all for lifting the restrictions on Cuba. I don't understand why they are still in place. Presumably they were put there because of the cold war, but we are all buddies with Russia now, why are we still mad at Cuba? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (3 children) The US doesn't blockade the entirety of Russia or China despite the Communist/Socialist political standing of either country, it does however do it to Cuba. Cuba does nothing to the US agenda that isn't also done by Russia or China, other than the latter two have economic scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com [S] 23 points 10 months ago I don’t understand why they are still in place The US is explicit about this: "every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government" I don't believe the USA is buddies with Russia, though, they have opposing geopolitical interests. The fact that the USA is pulling out of Ukraine now is not because they're buddies with Russia, but because Ukraine is a broken toy now that the EU has fully antagonized Russia as a consequence of the invasion and has subserved itself to NATO and agreed to the 5% military expenditure (mostly to buy weapons from the USA military-industrial complex) permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) but we are all buddies with Russia now Russia's capitalist as it gets now. No one is pretending they're still in any way socialist or even leftist. The US oligarchy loves them because Russia is now ideologically aligned with them. Cuba's actually still socialist. Also interesting how capitalist Russia is more tyrannical and war happy than the USSR ever was eh? While having a lower productive output than the USSR. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (6 children) I'm all for lifting the restrictions on Cuba. I don't understand why they are still in place. Presumably they were put there because of the cold war, but we are all buddies with Russia now, why are we still mad at Cuba? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (3 children) The US doesn't blockade the entirety of Russia or China despite the Communist/Socialist political standing of either country, it does however do it to Cuba. Cuba does nothing to the US agenda that isn't also done by Russia or China, other than the latter two have economic scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com [S] 23 points 10 months ago I don’t understand why they are still in place The US is explicit about this: "every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government" I don't believe the USA is buddies with Russia, though, they have opposing geopolitical interests. The fact that the USA is pulling out of Ukraine now is not because they're buddies with Russia, but because Ukraine is a broken toy now that the EU has fully antagonized Russia as a consequence of the invasion and has subserved itself to NATO and agreed to the 5% military expenditure (mostly to buy weapons from the USA military-industrial complex) permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) but we are all buddies with Russia now Russia's capitalist as it gets now. No one is pretending they're still in any way socialist or even leftist. The US oligarchy loves them because Russia is now ideologically aligned with them. Cuba's actually still socialist. Also interesting how capitalist Russia is more tyrannical and war happy than the USSR ever was eh? While having a lower productive output than the USSR. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (3 children) The US doesn't blockade the entirety of Russia or China despite the Communist/Socialist political standing of either country, it does however do it to Cuba. Cuba does nothing to the US agenda that isn't also done by Russia or China, other than the latter two have economic scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (3 children) The US doesn't blockade the entirety of Russia or China despite the Communist/Socialist political standing of either country, it does however do it to Cuba. Cuba does nothing to the US agenda that isn't also done by Russia or China, other than the latter two have economic scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children) At the risk of being all "this is just like video game", what Dengism did is basically the equivalent of some scene where the protagonist has to slam a little bit of The Serum the villain made in order to survive the final confrontation: enough to gain their powers and immunity, but not enough to lose their mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) You guys don't fear that a cheeky taste of capitalism hasn't introduced a poison into Chinese economics? Not that I disagree with your points. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago It’s a calculated risk which so far China seems to have managed okay. Previously: China Has Billionaires, but they are not oligarchs. They have very little political power. Just look at the number of rich people who’ve received the death sentence with reprieve, or the property developers who were left to flail and go bankrupt, or the sorry state of Jack Ma when he tried to exercise political influence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com [S] 23 points 10 months ago I don’t understand why they are still in place The US is explicit about this: "every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government" I don't believe the USA is buddies with Russia, though, they have opposing geopolitical interests. The fact that the USA is pulling out of Ukraine now is not because they're buddies with Russia, but because Ukraine is a broken toy now that the EU has fully antagonized Russia as a consequence of the invasion and has subserved itself to NATO and agreed to the 5% military expenditure (mostly to buy weapons from the USA military-industrial complex) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) but we are all buddies with Russia now Russia's capitalist as it gets now. No one is pretending they're still in any way socialist or even leftist. The US oligarchy loves them because Russia is now ideologically aligned with them. Cuba's actually still socialist. Also interesting how capitalist Russia is more tyrannical and war happy than the USSR ever was eh? While having a lower productive output than the USSR. permalink fedilink source parent