you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 124 points 10 months ago* (46 children)

Assuming he's right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they're keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???

  • source
  • hideshow 46 child comments
  • [–] 94 points 10 months ago

    The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You'd think they'd revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it's an odd feature to carry over.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people's hands that way too.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Exactly, and it's easier to make them user serviceable that way too.

    I've never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they'd design it like their ultra-thin phone.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    But it's not stupid thin, it's got a giant lump on it?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Thinness should be defined by it's thickest point.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can't see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    5.6 - 9 - 5.6
    hip - waist - bust

    If it's good enough for girls it's good enough for phones

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

    how do you propose removing it?

    there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.

    considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.

    Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.

    (The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.

    But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Phones 5 years ago have lightyears worse cameras than phones today.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    But their thickness can accomidate todays cameras.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    ...no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.

    The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.

    I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.

    I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    making an extremely thick phone

    lol how is 11mm extremely thick

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] -13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

    The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn't steal from Google

    Edit: Yes, I'm totally butthurt about that guys. Fuck Tim Apple!!11

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    "These assholes included an antenna and SIM slot again!?! HTC did that last season. So unoriginal."

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    I wish they still included a SIM card slot.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    100% of the phones I purchase include the SIM slot. No joke.

    I want even aware iPhone users lost this ability with the iPhone 14 and beyond, until your remark. I'm so sorry. :(

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments