Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

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[–] 41 points 10 months ago (55 children)
  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    A lot of us are pro China and Russia. Not all of us, some of us aren't tripping balls. I'm just kinda here, and didn't realize I was defederated with some other instances...

    Probably gonna make a new account in that case, if I ever remember to actually do so

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    That’s what I’m not a fan of. It feels softer than it is, the information bubble. The ml admins are too good at removing dissent and it translates to users unaware of the situation. Were there informed consent, I’d feel less aggrieved.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The fact they don't list dissent or criticism of China/Russia as being bannable in the rules is one of the bigger problems. They will just ban you for Rule 1 or 2, neither of which have anything to do with that and leaving banned users scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Meanwhile to the other .mls, it just looks like the devs banned someone for a "legitimate" reason because the devs will leave a comment painting the banned user's comment in that light.

    Example: User "BillyBobJones" expresses a dislike of China's genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Dessalines or Davel will quickly ban BillyBobJones under Rule 1 or 2 for, say, "racism". Then they will leave a comment under the deleted comment accusing BillyBob of saying something racist and saying that's why BillyBob was banned. Unless an .ml user bothers to check the modlogs, they won't know what BillyBob actually said and will praise Dessalines/Davel for removing a racist. Dissenter removed, echo chamber reinforced.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims

    I literally just left Xinjiang again, currently in Kazakhstan.

    If you want to criticize China, talk about existing policy, not silly shit the west made up.

    Maybe even come over and make some friends and ask them about their experiences.

    Also p sure its lemmy.ml policy to include the post you were banned for, unlike .world who will straight up lie.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (29 children)

    The ones I talked to were more like fans of the Sowjet union.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (28 children)

    Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    idk man, not enough femboys in the ussr, your point is invalid.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    I have criticism for social policy in the USSR, but let's not forget that in 1917 the country was composed of 85% peasants who worked the land almost enslaved to the landowners for miserable wages, and up to 1905 the majority of peasants praised the tsar's godgiven power to rule over them.

    Let's also not forget what we compare it with. "Liberal paradises" such as France were murdering more than a million Algerians in the Algerian war of independence in the 1960s.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    im talking about femboys here

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry, I honestly can't tell much about femboys in the USSR.

    The Soviet poet Mayakovksy had big puppyboy energy though, signing many poems and letters with drawings of a dog and writing things like trips on his paws

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Is this a chatgpt response for "List lots of advantages of positive things about the sowjet union and ignore the negative stuff"?

    It was so successful that 4 districts of it decided to leave it in 1990 and 11 more in 1991.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Whataboutism and accusing me of being a chatbot, thats a 2 for 1!

    If Euroep is so good, why did the entirety of Africa, Asia and Latin America have literal independence wars to leave it?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    accusing me of being a chatbot

    nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.

    Whataboutism

    Says the person who

    1. literally responded with "WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???" on my first comment 😅

    2. asks "WHAT ABOUT Europe????" 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅


    I'm sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like "But your state bad because XY", followed by "But your state worse because of YZ", but I don't have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    As someone who grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, reading your characterization of the USSR is hilarious to me.

    Imagine a Native American reading comments that are praising the US for how well they've done by them by giving them casinos.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren't for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Make assumptions about me and my ancestry at our first interaction, I'm sure you will eventually convince someone you're arguing in good faith.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    I can argue with you in at all because you're alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it's not a good argument either. "Nazis wouldn't have exterminated me!"

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Well I hate to disappoint you, but for me the weight of your narrative pales in comparison to the first hand accounts of my actual ancestors.

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    Again: on one hand I have the stories of my actual relatives who lived under and lost people to both nazi and communist terror, on the other hand I have an internet stranger, who doesn't seem to be interested in anything that goes against their preconceived notions.

    I suggest you spend your energy somewhere else, because your line of reasoning will be either insulting, or laughable to anyone in my position.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Are you under the assumption that only fascists were persecuted under communist dictatorships, or are you just being mean?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Well I guess being well informed on a topic is not strictly required to form an identity around it on the internet. Being ignorant sure seems to help with the confidence tho.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Thank you, Bolsheviks, for doing a bit less damage in our area, than what you proved to be perfectly willing to inflict on some of our neighbors.

    Also, huge thanks to my ancestors for staying decent in some of the darkest decades of our history. You lived and died with moral integrity in times when you could have easily gotten a comfortable living by becoming corrupt bootlickers to some of the worst despots in human history.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Isn't tankie describing when China used tanks against their own people? I thought it referenced Tiananmen Square.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    The original term "tankie" refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.

    China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of "tank man" is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    So why is June 4th banned and you can't talk about Tiananmen Square in China then?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DbijSAH1-Q

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

    Huh. I’m trying to understand what you mean. Your interpretation is that .ml is pro-China and pro-Russia. And, as you can see, my account is .ml. I'm not sure I would identify as pro-China or pro-Russia. What does it mean to you to be pro-China and pro-Russia?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think most people agree with OP that it's not a 100% thing. Some people just signed up long ago, or picked a big instance.

    I would assume they're speaking literally.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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    To understand what you mean, is that seal winking? If so, are you saying that maybe I'm not being forthcoming or honest? I hope that you and I and everyone here can agree that we're trying to understand what we're all saying and where we all stand. I'm not being sarcastic or trying to hide anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)
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    Ah. Thanks for the explanation.

    Well, if I look at my posts and ask myself whether I’m sealioning, I do see that I ask many questions to others. However, I also see that I talk about my stances and my beliefs. That is, as far as I can tell, not sealioning. Sealioning seems to require work from others while not doing the work of communicating.

    Here’s a post in which I lay out some of my beliefs and stances regarding .ml: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23293518

    Of course, I could be wrong, but that’s how it seems to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Explaining your stance doesn't negate sealioning.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Gotcha. So you're saying that explaining my stance is compatible with sealioning.

    Here's the thing. I would love to have civil, honest, constructive conversations. Seeing that this can be perceived as malicious is very frustrating to me. I could be accused of sealioning right now. It seems like a trap: damned if I do and damned if I don't.

    What am I supposed to do if I want to have a civil, honest, and constructive conversations?

    I don't doubt there are people who sealion. I just don't see myself as having a malicious intent. I'm being open about my stances and I want to see what people's stances are. But, again, damned if I do and damned if I don't.

    I suppose there's nothing left for me to do other than tell you that, if you believe I'm acting in good faith, I'd love to talk to you. However, if you don't think I'm acting in good faith, then there's nothing we can do to move forward.

    Regardless of what you think and what you choose, I genuinely hope you have a good one. In the grand scheme of things, I hope we can all live good lives.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    .ml admins are pro russia and china. Are you an Admin controlling the flow of content

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Thanks for the straightforward response.

    It sounds as if it's clear that .ml admins are pro-Russia and pro-China. I understand you're also asking if I'm making content-flow choices.

    I think it's worthwhile to interrogate where I stand in relation to .ml and my identity.

    The way I see it, .ml does have posts that mourn aspects of countries like the USA and posts that recognize achievements of China. I'm not sure I've seen posts praising Russia, like at all, ever (if anything, I've seen posts critical of how Russia is a hyper-militaristic society).

    I take this to mean that .ml is not indoctrinated in the way that many of my friends are. Some of my friends think that capitalism is perfectly ethical, and they sweep under the rug awful things about capitalism. They sweep under the rug how capitalism creates systemic inequality, how capitalism optimizes for accumulation instead of human flourishing, how capitalism is short-sighted in its investment strategies, how capitalism cannot create infinite growth in a contained system like planet Earth. I see these kinds of analyses in .ml. And I do not see them as much in other places.

    I want to make it clear that I'm not saying those analyses don't exist elsewhere. However, I see .ml engaging with them much more. I could be wrong, and I'd be very interested if you can link to other communities that engage with things like, for example, classical economics instead of neoclassical or post-Keynesian economics. Anyway…

    This might lead you to believe that I have a specific political project in mind that I'm supporting. And yeah, I believe in humanism, in human development, and in empathy-based ethics. However, I do not believe in static visions of the future. I do not think that there's a Single Best Way Of Solving World Problems. I believe the world is a complex system and we need multiple simultaneous experiments at all levels to get more of what we want and less of what we don't want.

    And what is it that I want? I want more acceptance of diversity and less hatred. I want more people working in good working conditions and less shitty workplaces. I want more equality of opportunities and less hoarding of privilege by the wealthy. I want more people out of poverty and less people stuck in the cycle of poverty. I want more investments that care about the long-term benefit of everyone and less investments that care about the short-term benefit of elites. I want more people who can choose what to do with their lives and less people stuck with what they've got in front of them.

    So am I anti-USA and pro-China?

    • If you tell me the story that the USA is lagging in healthcare compared to its rich-country counterparts, then I want less of that. Am I anti-USA because of that?
    • If you tell me the story that the USA managed to be an innovation power-house for a century because of its entrepreneurial state, then I want more of that. Am I pro-USA because of that?
    • If you tell me the story that China has a demographic problem because of its gender imbalance, then I want less of that. Am I anti-China because of that?
    • If you tell me the story that China is investing immensely in the development of green energy, then I want more of that. Am I pro-China because of that?

    What I'm trying to say is that we have to look at reality with openness. I believe we should not stick to a simplistic story. I believe simplistic stories blind us to complexity and nuance. I believe we should not stick to easy stories such as "pro-USA" or "pro-China". I believe we need to be able to break complex systems down and find what we want more of and what we want less of. I believe we then need to be able to accept that in complex systems we cannot know the end-state. I believe, instead, we need to try things out at multiple levels and see if we're getting more of what we want and less of what we don't want.

    So yeah, I see myself as someone who sees in .ml the kinds of analyses that I don't see elsewhere. Of course, I'm open to alternatives and am curious about where you stand and what you believe.

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