▲ 296 ▼ Proton has handed over 32,076 users' data to governments since 2017. Their own transparency report states a 94% compliance rate in 2024. (infosec.pub) submitted 10 months ago by cm0002@infosec.pub to c/privacy@programming.dev 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) READ THE THREAT MODEL FFS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mikina@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago Link, for most of the people in this thread surprised that Proton does what it's pretty clear in saying they'll do. And people getting into trouble for using proton for stuff they are saying not to do. https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model Not recommended If you are attempting to leak state secrets (as was the case of Edward Snowden) or going up against a powerful state adversary, email may not be the most secure medium for communications. The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as Proton Mail can be legally compelled to log your IP address. A powerful state adversary will also be better positioned to launch one of the attacks described above against you, which may negate the privacy protection provided by Proton Mail. While we can offer more protection and security, we cannot guarantee your safety against a powerful adversary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (1 child) I just want a low cost VPN to get around in-state censorship and the occasional bit of piracy. I'm not running a Wikileaks fork or trying to do OpSec for The Revolution. If you're spinning up your own version of Silk Road, maybe consider a home lab instead of relying on untrusted third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago Mullvad permalink fedilink source parent [–] village604@adultswim.fan 17 points 10 months ago* (1 child) No it doesn't contradict their advertising. They've been completely open about this the entire time. And they're not providing anything other than account details per the infographic. Account data remains encrypted It's on you if you thought a business would break the law for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] IceFoxX@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It is safe; your data is still encrypted. They only provide account metadata. You're confusing privacy with anonymity. Edit: and furthermore, Proton does have the ability for you to set up your account anonymously. You can use a burner recovery email and pay with Bitcoin. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago They continue to convey a different impression; even though they provide such data, they still advertise with certainty, etc… Is there any information about what kind of data they shared? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mikina@programming.dev 1 point 10 months ago https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) READ THE THREAT MODEL FFS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mikina@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago Link, for most of the people in this thread surprised that Proton does what it's pretty clear in saying they'll do. And people getting into trouble for using proton for stuff they are saying not to do. https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model Not recommended If you are attempting to leak state secrets (as was the case of Edward Snowden) or going up against a powerful state adversary, email may not be the most secure medium for communications. The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as Proton Mail can be legally compelled to log your IP address. A powerful state adversary will also be better positioned to launch one of the attacks described above against you, which may negate the privacy protection provided by Proton Mail. While we can offer more protection and security, we cannot guarantee your safety against a powerful adversary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mikina@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago Link, for most of the people in this thread surprised that Proton does what it's pretty clear in saying they'll do. And people getting into trouble for using proton for stuff they are saying not to do. https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model Not recommended If you are attempting to leak state secrets (as was the case of Edward Snowden) or going up against a powerful state adversary, email may not be the most secure medium for communications. The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as Proton Mail can be legally compelled to log your IP address. A powerful state adversary will also be better positioned to launch one of the attacks described above against you, which may negate the privacy protection provided by Proton Mail. While we can offer more protection and security, we cannot guarantee your safety against a powerful adversary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (1 child) I just want a low cost VPN to get around in-state censorship and the occasional bit of piracy. I'm not running a Wikileaks fork or trying to do OpSec for The Revolution. If you're spinning up your own version of Silk Road, maybe consider a home lab instead of relying on untrusted third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago Mullvad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 17 points 10 months ago* (1 child) No it doesn't contradict their advertising. They've been completely open about this the entire time. And they're not providing anything other than account details per the infographic. Account data remains encrypted It's on you if you thought a business would break the law for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] IceFoxX@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It is safe; your data is still encrypted. They only provide account metadata. You're confusing privacy with anonymity. Edit: and furthermore, Proton does have the ability for you to set up your account anonymously. You can use a burner recovery email and pay with Bitcoin. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] IceFoxX@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It is safe; your data is still encrypted. They only provide account metadata. You're confusing privacy with anonymity. Edit: and furthermore, Proton does have the ability for you to set up your account anonymously. You can use a burner recovery email and pay with Bitcoin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It is safe; your data is still encrypted. They only provide account metadata. You're confusing privacy with anonymity. Edit: and furthermore, Proton does have the ability for you to set up your account anonymously. You can use a burner recovery email and pay with Bitcoin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago They continue to convey a different impression; even though they provide such data, they still advertise with certainty, etc… Is there any information about what kind of data they shared? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mikina@programming.dev 1 point 10 months ago https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model permalink fedilink source parent