▲ 255 ▼ Microsoft is moving antivirus providers out of the Windows kernel (www.theverge.com) submitted 1 year ago by baatliwala@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] shininghero@pawb.social 235 points 1 year ago (9 children) Cool. Do anticheat vendors next. permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Toes@ani.social 89 points 1 year ago Do them now! Haha permalink fedilink source parent [–] doc@fedia.io 57 points 1 year ago (7 children) Another big area of Windows that uses kernel-level drivers is anti-cheating engines for games. Microsoft has been speaking with game developers about how to reduce the amount of kernel usage, but it’s a more complicated use case as cheaters often have to purposefully tamper with their machine to disable protections and get cheating engines running. “A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that,” Weston says. “We’ve been talking about the requirements there, and I think we’ll have more to say on that in the near future.” Riot Games told me last year that it’s willing to follow potential Windows security changes and “recede from the kernel space.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago (3 children) I fucking called this after the Crowd Strike catastrophe. MSFT would start massively reworking their entire concept of who actually gets kernel access, because uh, causing a Y2K event is uh, really bad, actually.... and yep, that probably means the kernel level AC paradigm is no longer workable. Fucking obviously duh, wow, turns out just letting any old 'vetted' vendor submit goddamned kernel level code updates without being strenuously verified each time is a bad fucking idea, wow, who could have guessed??!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just have copilot check the code 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago Simple as permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just check? Write the code, even 😁 permalink fedilink source parent [–] kubica@fedia.io 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) "A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that," I don't know if I'm reading it in the way it was intended, but I'm laughing my ass off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago "you could, like, fuck off with that shit" "what does that mean" 🤔 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Vanguard is the only thing holding me to windows. Microsoft and Riot pls permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doc@fedia.io 57 points 1 year ago (7 children) Another big area of Windows that uses kernel-level drivers is anti-cheating engines for games. Microsoft has been speaking with game developers about how to reduce the amount of kernel usage, but it’s a more complicated use case as cheaters often have to purposefully tamper with their machine to disable protections and get cheating engines running. “A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that,” Weston says. “We’ve been talking about the requirements there, and I think we’ll have more to say on that in the near future.” Riot Games told me last year that it’s willing to follow potential Windows security changes and “recede from the kernel space.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago (3 children) I fucking called this after the Crowd Strike catastrophe. MSFT would start massively reworking their entire concept of who actually gets kernel access, because uh, causing a Y2K event is uh, really bad, actually.... and yep, that probably means the kernel level AC paradigm is no longer workable. Fucking obviously duh, wow, turns out just letting any old 'vetted' vendor submit goddamned kernel level code updates without being strenuously verified each time is a bad fucking idea, wow, who could have guessed??!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just have copilot check the code 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago Simple as permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just check? Write the code, even 😁 permalink fedilink source parent [–] kubica@fedia.io 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) "A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that," I don't know if I'm reading it in the way it was intended, but I'm laughing my ass off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago "you could, like, fuck off with that shit" "what does that mean" 🤔 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Vanguard is the only thing holding me to windows. Microsoft and Riot pls permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago (3 children) I fucking called this after the Crowd Strike catastrophe. MSFT would start massively reworking their entire concept of who actually gets kernel access, because uh, causing a Y2K event is uh, really bad, actually.... and yep, that probably means the kernel level AC paradigm is no longer workable. Fucking obviously duh, wow, turns out just letting any old 'vetted' vendor submit goddamned kernel level code updates without being strenuously verified each time is a bad fucking idea, wow, who could have guessed??!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just have copilot check the code 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago Simple as permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just check? Write the code, even 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just have copilot check the code 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago Simple as permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just check? Write the code, even 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Just check? Write the code, even 😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kubica@fedia.io 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) "A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that," I don't know if I'm reading it in the way it was intended, but I'm laughing my ass off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago "you could, like, fuck off with that shit" "what does that mean" 🤔 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago "you could, like, fuck off with that shit" "what does that mean" 🤔 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Vanguard is the only thing holding me to windows. Microsoft and Riot pls permalink fedilink source parent