▲ 190 ▼ Judge backs AI firm over use of copyrighted books (www.bbc.com) submitted 1 year ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago* (6 children) I'm not pirating. I'm building my model. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (5 children) To anyone who is reading this comment without reading through the article. This ruling doesn't mean that it's okay to pirate for building a model. Anthropic will still need to go through trial for that: But he rejected Anthropic's request to dismiss the case, ruling the firm would have to stand trial over its use of pirated copies to build its library of material. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) I also read through the judgement, and I think it's better for anthropic than you describe. He distinguishes three issues: A) Use any written material they get their hands on to train the model (and the resulting model doesn't just reproduce the works). B) Buy a single copy of a print book, scan it, and retain the digital copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). C) Pirate a book and retain that copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). A and B were fair use by summary judgement. Meaning this judge thinks it's clear cut in anthropics favor. C will go to trial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) C could still bankrupt the company depending on how trial goes. They pirated a lot of books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a civil matter, the publishing houses are more likely to get the full money if anthropic stays in business (and does well). So it might be bad, but I'm really skeptical about bankruptcy (and I'm not hearing anyone seriously floating it?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* It might be that bad. Most 'damage' (as publishers see it) comes from distribution, not the download itself. Depending on how they acquired the books, it might be not be much of a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (5 children) To anyone who is reading this comment without reading through the article. This ruling doesn't mean that it's okay to pirate for building a model. Anthropic will still need to go through trial for that: But he rejected Anthropic's request to dismiss the case, ruling the firm would have to stand trial over its use of pirated copies to build its library of material. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) I also read through the judgement, and I think it's better for anthropic than you describe. He distinguishes three issues: A) Use any written material they get their hands on to train the model (and the resulting model doesn't just reproduce the works). B) Buy a single copy of a print book, scan it, and retain the digital copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). C) Pirate a book and retain that copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). A and B were fair use by summary judgement. Meaning this judge thinks it's clear cut in anthropics favor. C will go to trial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) C could still bankrupt the company depending on how trial goes. They pirated a lot of books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a civil matter, the publishing houses are more likely to get the full money if anthropic stays in business (and does well). So it might be bad, but I'm really skeptical about bankruptcy (and I'm not hearing anyone seriously floating it?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* It might be that bad. Most 'damage' (as publishers see it) comes from distribution, not the download itself. Depending on how they acquired the books, it might be not be much of a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) I also read through the judgement, and I think it's better for anthropic than you describe. He distinguishes three issues: A) Use any written material they get their hands on to train the model (and the resulting model doesn't just reproduce the works). B) Buy a single copy of a print book, scan it, and retain the digital copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). C) Pirate a book and retain that copy for a company library (for all sorts of future purposes). A and B were fair use by summary judgement. Meaning this judge thinks it's clear cut in anthropics favor. C will go to trial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) C could still bankrupt the company depending on how trial goes. They pirated a lot of books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a civil matter, the publishing houses are more likely to get the full money if anthropic stays in business (and does well). So it might be bad, but I'm really skeptical about bankruptcy (and I'm not hearing anyone seriously floating it?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* It might be that bad. Most 'damage' (as publishers see it) comes from distribution, not the download itself. Depending on how they acquired the books, it might be not be much of a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) C could still bankrupt the company depending on how trial goes. They pirated a lot of books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Artisian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a civil matter, the publishing houses are more likely to get the full money if anthropic stays in business (and does well). So it might be bad, but I'm really skeptical about bankruptcy (and I'm not hearing anyone seriously floating it?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* It might be that bad. Most 'damage' (as publishers see it) comes from distribution, not the download itself. Depending on how they acquired the books, it might be not be much of a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a civil matter, the publishing houses are more likely to get the full money if anthropic stays in business (and does well). So it might be bad, but I'm really skeptical about bankruptcy (and I'm not hearing anyone seriously floating it?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 year ago Depending on the type of bankruptcy, the business can still operate, all their profits would just be going towards paying off their depts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* It might be that bad. Most 'damage' (as publishers see it) comes from distribution, not the download itself. Depending on how they acquired the books, it might be not be much of a problem. permalink fedilink source parent