Yeah. The writing is just as shit, it's just served by being more episodic. I don't care about Pike or Kirk or Spock or Picard.

I just want good sci-fi with well written and clever stories with attention to detail, produced and made well by people who care.

That's why I liked Star Trek, it's the depth and the fact you can engage with it actively by thinking about the stories and the characters and the premise and the message, not because it was specifically star trek or because they say certain catchphrases or because it has a ship called enterprise in it or whatever else.

I enjoyed TOS when it was clever, and not so much when it wasn't, much the same as I enjoyed many episodes of the original Twilight Zone or some episodes of the X-Files.

Nu-Trek is dumb on every level, not just the obvious utterly nonsensical stories and the plot or the confused tone and messaging, it is dumb on every level - from the graphic design of all the ship controls on each and every panel to the ship designs themselves all the way up to the internal lore and logic of the world it's portraying.

Stargate SG-1 (haven't finished it yet so no spoilers), Firefly, BSG 2005, The Expanse and For All Mankind are all a lot more like Star Trek than anything with the label on it these days, heck two of those involve lots of TNG/DS9 era people behind them from Ron D. Moore to Joe Menosky to the wonderful Michael & Denise Okuda.

Bad Robot, JJ, and Alex Kurtzman and CBS/Paramount/whatever-the-fuck do not give a flying fuck, they are peak Hollywood nepo babies and if I were a conspiratorial type i'd honestly say them running Star Trek into the ground was done on purpose to crush the spirit of the people so they don't get too uppity when our incoming corpo dystopia is fully formed.

But I will always remember.

Ironically I felt discovery was better after it went to a timeline where it fit in more. Still dropped it after second season I think. Maybe it was third.

Yeah.

If you're a fan of strategy games and like the premise and alt. history in general, definitely check out the Hearts of Iron IV mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe. It's a similar premise sans the films and...

...done in a super detailed fashion, even if not a gamer, I'd read the TVtropes page on it just because of how wild the mod is.

I agree with the OP you're responding to, but I still love the show. The middle seasons felt a little out of place and slow moving while I was watching the show, I almost didn't make it to season 3. But they actually wrap it all up really well into a great ending IMO, and then the middle seasons kind of make sense.

I loved the show and will probably watch it again someday to pick up on things I didn't notice the first time!

Just pirate it?