sugar_in_your_tea comments on ICE's 'Frightening' Facial Recognition App is Scanning US Citizens Without Their Consent

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien

Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.

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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

Yup. If someone is abducting someone else and doesn't self-identify, that sounds like an open and shut self-defense case, provided you survive the encounter.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago*

Yeah you can, but you'll probably get killed. If you're willing to do that though, then at least make it worthwhile

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[+] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

That depends on who you ask, but likely the courts would side with a citizen requesting ID. The policy seems to be that they must "when it is practical and safe to do so."

AFAIK, this issue has not been tried in court though.

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[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

What is the odds that court is where you go?

There's so many other outcomes I keep hearing about in your news, but I don't know the odds.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

In practice, pretty low! In the vast majority of cases, people are released within a few hours and not sent to one of the larger detention facilities. As much as the news sensationalizes the handful of cases where that doesn't happen, the likelihood is still quite low that I wouldn't get due process.

If I saw an ICE operation in my neighborhood, I wouldn't be too worried about going up to them and demanding their name and badge number. I'm not going to be "disappeared" or anything like that, especially as a US citizen. The vast majority of those targeted are actually illegal immigrants, and the extras arrested are often obstructing justice in one way or another. If I approach it completely legally, I don't think I'd be falsely accused of something else by those officers.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% against what ICE is doing. I think they're being a bit too fast and loose with their information, such that they arrest or detain far too many people without actual cause, and those they do arrest with cause they mistreat. I'm not necessarily against illegal immigrants getting deported, but that should be handled with respect and restraint, at least until we get policy to get these good people on some form of temporary status. If someone currently has work here, there should be a really easy way to get that turned into a legal work visa.