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[–] 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

i already knew of and dismissed this exact argument before you made it. i don’t know why you thought it was a good idea to make the exact same argument and hope for a different outcome

changing the defenition of misandry is just as bullshit as changing the definition of antisemitism to include critism of isreal.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago

    im really just not gonna waste time engaging with bad faith strawman arguments that start with "the dictionary defines this word as"

    i hope that life treats you well and that your beliefs take you to great places

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    lol it's not even an argument it is an accepted fact in academia. your misunderstanding of higher level concepts is not a valid argument against it

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    lol it's not even an argument it is an accepted fact in academia. your misunderstanding of higher level concepts is not a valid argument against it

    This whole exercise of injecting academic terms into common discourse and pretending like they're the only "correct" definition is at least 15 years old now and has achieved nothing. Where is your victory? If a woman hates all men just for being men she's engaging in misandry. No matter how many times you explain that a system of oppression against men is required in the definition, all you will be doing is preaching to your ever shrinking choir. That definition is only useful outside academia because certain people want to excuse bigotry, and that's all.

    There were already terms for this - the word "systemic" was already in use. Systemic racism vs racism for example. But this insistence that all of society must accept that racism is actually defined as systemic racism and racism without systemic elements simply doesn't exist is so absurd and silly that it is has no ability to gain any mass appeal required for systemic change which is why its confined to terminally online leftists (and not even all of them).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's not so much a misunderstanding of concepts, it's people using 2 different definitions.

    You must know by now that misandry can both mean "systemic oppression of men" and "bigotry against men" - sorry, "unfairly being mean to men", just as misogyny or racism can mean different things in a systemic and personal context.

    People are complaining about bigotry, or "being meanly treated" if you want to imply dismissiveness, and the word they use for that is misandry/racism/misogyny - that these words imply systemic oppression in an academic context doesn't matter, we are talking about the other context.

    And if you think it should not have this other definition at all, because it makes it harder to talk about the more important systemic issue, or for another reason: don't be a pedantic prescriptivist on these definitions, language is fluid.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    when have men ever been systematically oppressed? misandry doesn't mean that, because it doesn't happen.

    and what words mean in an acedemic context does matter, because when the academia says one thing and people use it to mean another, it furthers the meabing from reality and science. especially when it's something like this, when what you're using as is just something not grounded in facts.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The academic definition does matter in an academic context, but outside of that, other definitions are used. Misandry does exist and is grounded in facts, because people can use misandry to mean bigotry against men. In fact, that is what people mean more often than not. Linguistic is a real science as well, you know?

    Again, being a pedant about what it should mean isn't helping anyone, least of all you.

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