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Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon (www.dexerto.com)
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[+] -18 points 1 year ago (20 children)

A false positive is better then a false negative. The best would be to kill the gun culture so we don't have to have AI in school, making sure 16 year olds aren't carrying weapons (only nation where we have this stupid problem).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No. The police are well known for using violence against non-violent black people. Imagine what they could do if they believed a black person was armed. I would say that this kid got really lucky.

    Besides the racism problem, many false positives will lead to people not taking the system seriously (see: the boy who cried wolf) and even if they take every positive seriously, it would be a huge waste of resources to frequently send a bunch of cops to do nothing (in best case scenario, in worst case it'll result in the death of an innocent person).

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    False negative worse case scenario is a bunch of dead kids though. Like I said, I'd rather if guns weren't in society but you work with what you have and I'd rather a system that was too sensitive then not sensitive enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's not legal for 16yos to carry guns in school.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Were you going anywhere with this?

    ?????

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Oh you seemed like you thought it was legal and that we should consider criminalizing it, but you mean we should make it double illegal. Good plan!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I never for a second thought or said that. But making things illegal doesn't always solve a problem (which is exasperated by the gun culture). Take a step back and think for a second. You are getting emotional and you aren't making any sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    "Gun culture" and "kids committing crimes" are two separate things. "Gun culture" (if you can even call it that) is IDPA, USPSA, Cowboy Action, skeet (haha), trap, hunting, historical collections, non-historical collections, and defense. Not murdering unarmed kids in a school with a stolen or illegally purchased gun. Incel culture maybe but not "gun culture."

    This is like saying "car culture" is running over grandmas while drunk driving, rather than cosmetic/performance mods, racing, antique car shows full of Chevy Bel-Airs and Novas, muscle cars, etc. It's not. "Alcoholic culture" maybe but not "car culture."

    Maybe you should take that step back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fact that we built a gun culture around treating weapons like cool toys is directly linked to the amount of school shooting. The gun cult really likes to pretend they aren't related and it's pathetic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you ever talked to anyone actually "in the gun culture" (a phrase that is still laughable to me as if it were a real thing), you'd learn safety is paramount, that they are not toys. This is what you're saying is responsible for school shootings because they're treating them like toys? Sure lol. Another example of the basic safety rules from a guy responsible for school shootings, clearly you can hear him saying "play with them wantonly" right there, huh? How bout this guy? Clearly, "gun culture" doesn't treat guns as toys. Instigram dumbshits are not "gun culture," the gentleman responding to them here, well, again gun culture isn't really a thing like you seem to think but he's as close as we'll get just like all the other safety advocates in these links.

    You gonna blame KMFDM next, or?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Our gun culture literally has a Wikipedia page, I'm pretty sure it's a thing. You also don't get to pick and choose only the "good" parts of it to include, it simply doesn't work like that. Your YouTube videos are stupidly anecdotal and I can find just as many of people being irresponsible with guns and having fun with them with the boys at the range (it's not only being stupid with them that's a problem, but treating them like some kind of bonding experience).

    In any case, here are some actual academic papers that show through data that there is a clear and pervasive link.

    Findings suggest most school shooters come from a social setting in which firearms are a crucial leisure activity and hold meanings of affection, friendship, and bonding. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0322195

    I really want to stress the affection, friendship and bonding parts. Guns aren't a problem but once you start building your whole personality around it and feeding that kind of environment to your kids, it becomes problematic.

    More permissive firearm laws and higher rates of gun ownership were associated with higher rates of both school shootings and active school shootings after controlling for critical covariates.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9017402/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You can find videos of archers having fun at a range, why does that not cause school archings? You can find videos of drunk ass axe throwers having fun at axe throwing places, does axe culture inspire school axings? Fun doesn't cause crime, the crime is caused by deep socioeconomic issues that can't be solved by stopping fun. And fun != irresponsible without your painting it as "fun causes school shootings" especially when you differentiate it from stupidity yourself.

    Your study doesn't actually account for the fact that most school shooters, being unable to legally purchase firearms, steal them from their parents, and therefore it's more likely by default that their parents are "gun culture" people by virtue of owning guns. That still doesn't mean their kids stealing their guns to commit murder is "gun culture." Causation != correlation and such.

    Your second study basically says "the more guns around the higher likelihood someone can steal one." Sure, but places with more permissive alcohol laws also have more drunk drivers, should we ban alcohol?

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the downvotes. I'd rather no guns but if I had to choose between the system missing one and spotting one incorrectly, I'm pretty sure I lean to the false positive.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I suspect the downvotes are because it sounds like this :

    1000004030

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No weirdo, I'm saying I'd rather a few false positives then an actual shooting that could have been stopped but was overlooked.

    Don't put words in my mouth.

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