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Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon (www.dexerto.com)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"Gun culture" and "kids committing crimes" are two separate things. "Gun culture" (if you can even call it that) is IDPA, USPSA, Cowboy Action, skeet (haha), trap, hunting, historical collections, non-historical collections, and defense. Not murdering unarmed kids in a school with a stolen or illegally purchased gun. Incel culture maybe but not "gun culture."

This is like saying "car culture" is running over grandmas while drunk driving, rather than cosmetic/performance mods, racing, antique car shows full of Chevy Bel-Airs and Novas, muscle cars, etc. It's not. "Alcoholic culture" maybe but not "car culture."

Maybe you should take that step back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fact that we built a gun culture around treating weapons like cool toys is directly linked to the amount of school shooting. The gun cult really likes to pretend they aren't related and it's pathetic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you ever talked to anyone actually "in the gun culture" (a phrase that is still laughable to me as if it were a real thing), you'd learn safety is paramount, that they are not toys. This is what you're saying is responsible for school shootings because they're treating them like toys? Sure lol. Another example of the basic safety rules from a guy responsible for school shootings, clearly you can hear him saying "play with them wantonly" right there, huh? How bout this guy? Clearly, "gun culture" doesn't treat guns as toys. Instigram dumbshits are not "gun culture," the gentleman responding to them here, well, again gun culture isn't really a thing like you seem to think but he's as close as we'll get just like all the other safety advocates in these links.

    You gonna blame KMFDM next, or?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Our gun culture literally has a Wikipedia page, I'm pretty sure it's a thing. You also don't get to pick and choose only the "good" parts of it to include, it simply doesn't work like that. Your YouTube videos are stupidly anecdotal and I can find just as many of people being irresponsible with guns and having fun with them with the boys at the range (it's not only being stupid with them that's a problem, but treating them like some kind of bonding experience).

    In any case, here are some actual academic papers that show through data that there is a clear and pervasive link.

    Findings suggest most school shooters come from a social setting in which firearms are a crucial leisure activity and hold meanings of affection, friendship, and bonding. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0322195

    I really want to stress the affection, friendship and bonding parts. Guns aren't a problem but once you start building your whole personality around it and feeding that kind of environment to your kids, it becomes problematic.

    More permissive firearm laws and higher rates of gun ownership were associated with higher rates of both school shootings and active school shootings after controlling for critical covariates.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9017402/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You can find videos of archers having fun at a range, why does that not cause school archings? You can find videos of drunk ass axe throwers having fun at axe throwing places, does axe culture inspire school axings? Fun doesn't cause crime, the crime is caused by deep socioeconomic issues that can't be solved by stopping fun. And fun != irresponsible without your painting it as "fun causes school shootings" especially when you differentiate it from stupidity yourself.

    Your study doesn't actually account for the fact that most school shooters, being unable to legally purchase firearms, steal them from their parents, and therefore it's more likely by default that their parents are "gun culture" people by virtue of owning guns. That still doesn't mean their kids stealing their guns to commit murder is "gun culture." Causation != correlation and such.

    Your second study basically says "the more guns around the higher likelihood someone can steal one." Sure, but places with more permissive alcohol laws also have more drunk drivers, should we ban alcohol?

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