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The history of electoralism (lemmy.ml)
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Greek philosophers in 300 BC: Hey, so electoralism is a rigged game, because only wealthy and prestigious families have enough money to finance the popularity contest to get themselves or their puppet candidates elected. Marxists in the 1800s: Electoralism is a rigged game. Capitalists stack every election with their puppets. Political power is subservient to economic power. Liberals in the 2020s: No, electoralism has never worked. But it might work for us this time.
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The world and society have explicitly gotten far better since and because of the advent of serious representative democracy.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Things got better after unified monarchies ordained by God superceded quarreling petty kingdoms. Things got better with constitutional monarchies with aristocrat parliaments. Things got better with suffrage and classic liberal democracy.

    Each system has its limitations and contradictions, and each of them were superceded when those became incompatible with the current reality.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The US and Britain genocided entire continents using representative "democracy" (IE capitalist dictatorship).

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You don't know what a dictatorship is. So far there isn't a form of government that hasn't. But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Very few modern states are settler states based on native eviction: only the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel.

    The major colonialist powers of the last few hundred years were a tiny number of european nations.

    But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

    The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren't democracies, and you'd be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they're improving.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Even off the top of my head, there's japan as well. So your first statement is explicitly wrong. I'm sure I can find numerous more examples if I care to start digging.

    The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren't democracies, and you'd be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they're improving.

    Improved. I didn't use the present tense. Backslides happen. They're alarming and need to be stopped. So, you're advocating for pure democracy. Do you believe every rule and regulation should be decided by majority vote? Personally, I believe some form of representative democracy is the only practical way to run a country/collective. Otherwise, constant votes will prevent people from paying attention

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