▲ 856 ▼ We put the Thing That Can't Do Numbers™ in your spreadsheets (programming.dev) submitted 1 year ago by irelephant@programming.dev to c/iiiiiiitttttttttttt@programming.dev 96 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 75 points 1 year ago* (16 children) To be fair, MS says you shouldn't use it for caculations. "Why is it there then?" No clue. permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago (10 children) The example I saw them use was turning one line text reviews into a simple positive or negative so you can count them. So it could be useful for things like that, even if we ignore the "then why not just ask for the star rating" that probably went along with that review... MS is now an AI company that sells to excited bosses who would love to fire somebody somewhere to save a few bucks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) "... to save a few bucks." In the short term, people who rushed into AI are finding out that a 1 in 100 error rate is absurdly high when literally every action is done through an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) No third-party research ever arrived at such absurdly low number as 1% error rate. Internal OpenAi research from May 2025 said 50% error rate and growing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is a headline from a few weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent [–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) At the same time, that sounds like something you'd just use old-fashioned sentiment analysis for. It's less accurate, but also far less demanding, and doesn't risk hallucinating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) It’s less accurate and doesn’t risk hallucinating I might be mistaken, but don't these two lines mean the exact opposite in this context? Is AI more often right, or more often wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Both, because the way it's right and wrong are different. Sentiment analysis might misclassify some of the data, but it doesn't risk making things up wholescale like an LLM would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago I used to work for Comcast as a mobile app developer. We used to get uncountable numbers of reviews along the lines of "I gave this app one star because you can't give an app zero stars". Honestly depressing even though I wasn't personally responsible for the apps or the company. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Do you think someone dumb enough to cause problems with this is smart enough to read the warning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago There's different kinds of smartness and dumbness and they are not always toggled on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 10 points 1 year ago Sounds like it's made to replace C-suits permalink fedilink source parent [–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago you should use it write a beautiful poem! That's what calculators are for! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago That is only there to cover their asses not to actually be informative permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago (10 children) The example I saw them use was turning one line text reviews into a simple positive or negative so you can count them. So it could be useful for things like that, even if we ignore the "then why not just ask for the star rating" that probably went along with that review... MS is now an AI company that sells to excited bosses who would love to fire somebody somewhere to save a few bucks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) "... to save a few bucks." In the short term, people who rushed into AI are finding out that a 1 in 100 error rate is absurdly high when literally every action is done through an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) No third-party research ever arrived at such absurdly low number as 1% error rate. Internal OpenAi research from May 2025 said 50% error rate and growing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is a headline from a few weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent [–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) At the same time, that sounds like something you'd just use old-fashioned sentiment analysis for. It's less accurate, but also far less demanding, and doesn't risk hallucinating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) It’s less accurate and doesn’t risk hallucinating I might be mistaken, but don't these two lines mean the exact opposite in this context? Is AI more often right, or more often wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Both, because the way it's right and wrong are different. Sentiment analysis might misclassify some of the data, but it doesn't risk making things up wholescale like an LLM would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago I used to work for Comcast as a mobile app developer. We used to get uncountable numbers of reviews along the lines of "I gave this app one star because you can't give an app zero stars". Honestly depressing even though I wasn't personally responsible for the apps or the company. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children) "... to save a few bucks." In the short term, people who rushed into AI are finding out that a 1 in 100 error rate is absurdly high when literally every action is done through an LLM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) No third-party research ever arrived at such absurdly low number as 1% error rate. Internal OpenAi research from May 2025 said 50% error rate and growing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is a headline from a few weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) No third-party research ever arrived at such absurdly low number as 1% error rate. Internal OpenAi research from May 2025 said 50% error rate and growing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is a headline from a few weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is a headline from a few weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just giving evidence that companies are bailing from AI, fuel for the fire so to speak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Ah, sorry, I though you were disagreeing with me by posting a link that companies are unsuccessful with it, so I was confused - because my point was that error rate is gigantic. My bad! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) At the same time, that sounds like something you'd just use old-fashioned sentiment analysis for. It's less accurate, but also far less demanding, and doesn't risk hallucinating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) It’s less accurate and doesn’t risk hallucinating I might be mistaken, but don't these two lines mean the exact opposite in this context? Is AI more often right, or more often wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Both, because the way it's right and wrong are different. Sentiment analysis might misclassify some of the data, but it doesn't risk making things up wholescale like an LLM would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) It’s less accurate and doesn’t risk hallucinating I might be mistaken, but don't these two lines mean the exact opposite in this context? Is AI more often right, or more often wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Both, because the way it's right and wrong are different. Sentiment analysis might misclassify some of the data, but it doesn't risk making things up wholescale like an LLM would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Both, because the way it's right and wrong are different. Sentiment analysis might misclassify some of the data, but it doesn't risk making things up wholescale like an LLM would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago I used to work for Comcast as a mobile app developer. We used to get uncountable numbers of reviews along the lines of "I gave this app one star because you can't give an app zero stars". Honestly depressing even though I wasn't personally responsible for the apps or the company. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Do you think someone dumb enough to cause problems with this is smart enough to read the warning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago There's different kinds of smartness and dumbness and they are not always toggled on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago There's different kinds of smartness and dumbness and they are not always toggled on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 10 points 1 year ago Sounds like it's made to replace C-suits permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago you should use it write a beautiful poem! That's what calculators are for! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago That is only there to cover their asses not to actually be informative permalink fedilink source parent