Screenshot of a post by user "former-incel" on Tumblr. The post discusses how phrases like “you will die alone, no one will ever want you” are used to manipulate and harm people’s self-esteem. It argues that while this phrase is often used by abusive partners against women, the manosphere uses the same tactic on men, especially shorter men and even those of average height by convincing them they’re inherently unlovable. The author compares this to emotional abuse, saying it’s a way to make men dependent on the manosphere for validation and community.
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[+] 66 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the trick of Jordan Peterson. He offers sound advice: make your bed, get a hair cut, wear clean clothes. Then mixes that good advice with some truly misogynistic garbage.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yep. I remember when the "manosphere" was still young. I went through a terrible breakup. I was looking for support. They offered commiseration.

    Things can get better. You're going to be ok. Start working out (great advice). Get your place in order (I needed to hear that). Delete social media, stop comparing yourself to them (oh hell yeah).

    They validated my anger and sadness. I started to feel like I belonged. I was actually starting to do well. There had been no mention of women yet, just dudes who are going through or had been through some shit. Then when I went a level deeper I started getting the truly misogynistic garbage. But I wasn't angry at women. I was angry at a woman. An individual. I grew up around enough women to know that AWALT was an absolute lie. I had enough friends that were women to know that. The fact that I was half an inch shy of 6' never stopped me before.

    So I was out of it quickly. But I know how easy it is to get wrapped up in it. I could easily be one of those people today.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look up "The Ghost Shirt Society.'

    Native American movement that promised to kill all the settlers and bring back the buffalo.

    Desperate people will jump on solutions, whether or not they are viable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_shirt

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    To be clear this was not a violent attempt to kill settlers by the Lakota people. These shirts were thought to protect from bullets and the Ghost dance was believed to bring back spirits of the dead to protect the land settlers were expanding into. It was in this context that the US army massacred 153 people, mostly women and children and ~20 soldiers were given medals of honor for what is known today as the Wounded Knee Massacre.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It's amazing how often this plays out politically; people have a problem and the right has a bad answer while the left takes too long to look for the right answer. The end result is the only people who have an answer gets attention/votes. The other side will look like complainers who are trying to tear down the solution and become "the bummer" that becomes the butt of jokes and general animosity.

    The left needs some answers to big problems before the right can make up some snake oil solution.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're 100% right, and I'd like to add that these problems men are experiencing are caused by capitalism and the patriarchy, which is ironic because the manosphere is clearly capitalizing on their loneliness. It's a cycle of abuse literally just to take their money.

    The solutions the manosphere is offering were never intended to work.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The cause doesn't really matter to men experiencing these issues, as there's no path to a solution through that. At least not one that is personally attainable.

    The men who want a solution to these problems want a solution that is theoretically attainable by their own efforts, rather than requiring something like a complete overhaul of the existing societal structures.

    "Cool, we found the source. Now what's happening about that which will help me in my lifetime? What can I do against the patriarchy beside not perpetuate it myself, while my prospective partners are still living in a society controlled by it?"

    You can't tell a lady her expectations are unfair because of the patriarchy and use that to get a girlfriend.

    A lot of men see posts like yours and feel like they're being told that you think the problem's solved because you found the source. And some of them feel like just tossing it on the abstraction of "patriarchy" is an excuse to try and blame the problems they encounter on themselves. "We wouldn't hit you if you behaved right!" or "You men made this bed, now get fucked in it" sort of shit.

    Or it just means that they have to become part of those powerful men, part of that patriarchy, in order for things to work out in their favor. Because it's too big for them to somehow slay and then reap the benefits of a patriarchy-less society. That's where some parts of the "alpha" bullshit comes from.

    I get that's not what you're trying to do, but it's worth saying. I'm happily married for almost a decade now, but I spent far more time than is healthy on 4chan growing up, so I'm somewhat familiar with the mindset, and I've seen plenty of men heading down this path express these sorts of feelings when they see comments like yours.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I mean engaging with someone's problems and trying to "help" with them can be a form of care or affection.

    I think both you and the post are 1000% right. I do wish society was able to have larger and less dysfunctional conversation around the issues men face.

    They are not the persistent threat of danger that women deal with, but cultural norms around men, masculinity, and how they're treated are also deeply toxic and do a huge amount of harm.

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