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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (23 children)

    If a civil war comes we need to know who isn't trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.

    Your misuse of the word "bigoted" is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.

    They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Both shouldn't be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn't exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won't treat eachother like humans as long as "the economy" exists.

    People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn't not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No difference. They know what orders they'll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.

    No, we haven't forgotten how awful this country is, and it's primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I lost everything in 2008, my house, my car, everything. I never compromised my morals. There are always more than enough moral career choices to keep from taking the low road.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So how did you make it living on the streets? How did you get food?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I worked my way out of it, and as desperate as things were at times, I never chose to do anything illegal or immoral.

    You claim that when people get desperate enough they will do terrible things, and they should be excused for that. Most other people feel that your own bad situation is no excuse to abandon morals and become part of the system that is making life difficult for you.

    There is no excuse for abandoning your morals and victimizing your fellow citizens.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hey, fascist. You don't recruit "unemployed" people off the streets in an obviously politically biased recruiting blitz, arm them, and set them upon the general public incognito with NO training at all, even if you think their families need to be fed. All that means is that one side of the political spectrum is armed now.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago

    PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren't captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.

    So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Closet fascist detected. It sounds like you're one of the people needing doxxing, tbh. You are defending MASKED, unidentified assailants who are kidnapping random people, including citizens, off the streets, to be imprisoned in another country under 3rd world standards. GTFO of here, fascist !

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren't people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    They are normal people just like you and I.

    Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.

    As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.

    But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don't care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don't get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.

    Now how we expect anyone to change when the "good" people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You are totally lost, and have no idea what's going on.

    You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.

    True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.

    You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn't resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.

    ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn't, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That's not "privilege," that's sociopathic.

    As for "building bridges," that might be the dumbest thing you've written in all your posts. We aren't trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.

    The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it's existence in the future.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Too bad you didn't read it, I never called you stupid a single time.

    Your own response demonstrated that just fine.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Dude fuck that, you act like ice aren't aware that they're literally just racially profiling people. Most are j6ers and proud boys and three percenters and other white supremacist hate groups. The rest are people that are on with employing fascist tactics on their neighbors. They are cowards and monsters and they know what they're doing and deserve according treatment.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well we should probably continue treating them like they aren't real people with real problems that maybe just dont have good solutions available. That sounds ideal. I'd say the less we treat each others like humans the better, right?

    I'm pretty sure ICE agents dont even have the same emotions us Normie's have. Practically aliens.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    (hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They're just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz

    They were people, but let's not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they're doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.

    Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that's not hyperbole.

    The rest of the world (where I'm from) is looking on with extreme concern.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah things are rough, and then they won't be and people will need to be able to move on.

    If I was in another country though, I'm sure I would dismiss americans humanity too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    then they won't be and people will need to be able to move on

    Wtf are you advocating for here?

    That law enforcement shouldn't face repercussions if they're breaking the law (or violating generally accepted human rights)?

    No, ICE agents covering up their face, so they don't have to face consequences, shouldn't be able to just move on after the fact.

    Are you allergic to the concept of accountability?

    It's absolutely bizarre that you are arguing for the humanity of Americans, when that's not your position. Your argument is for the "humanity" of those within law enforcement wanting no consequences for their actions.

    It's very naive to think this isn't troubling for EVERYONE in the US, not just the alleged foreigners (who, in many cases, are completely legally in your country and have done nothing wrong).

    The US is a imperial nation, so I have every right to comment on your politics, as a vassal of the US.

    Bruh, as much as I'd like to see you cry about how the leopards ate your face (when you inevitably face the consequences of this slide into fascism), I'd much rather see the US have some semblance of sanity. Because we're just standing here with our pants down, entirely at your military's mercy (Australia).

    It's about time we diversify our security partners, holy balls.

    Read a book, learn some history, you made be troubled when you do.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Which protected class are we being bigoted against?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not here to argue legality.

    Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I'm not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.

    I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I'm using an inaccurate word though?

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    I'm here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.

    The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They are normal people. Fine. Granted. If normal people realize their mistakes, recognize the harm done, and actively work to fix it, then that is an option in a good society. But they must put forth the effort to do so. They cannot skate by and return to mundane life with a simple apology. Don't infantilize these adults who have made decisions and used their agency for evil. You seem to want to pardon them long before any of them have faced real consequences. Stop making excuses. They have to be dragged into the light first in order to face the society they are hurting. How else do you expect that to happen?

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