▲ 70 ▼ Scientists grow mini human brains to power computers (www.bbc.com) submitted 1 year ago by Amuletta@lemmy.ca to c/offbeat@lemmy.ca 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago (15 children) Oh good! Technological horrors beyond my comprehension permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 year ago* (14 children) They're not mini human brains though. They're little clusters of cells. The BBC's headline is deliberately (and irresponsibly) provocative and misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) so brains, but smaller permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago Not really. Brain cells, but not in a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Beacon@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) A human brain isn't just a lump of brain cells, it's an exquisitely intricate assemblage of brain cells in very precisely organized networks that perform very specific functions. Without the organization, the same number of brain cells are not a brain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) We flat out do not understand consciousness. There was a case of a guy living a normal life while missing 90% of his brain. Who knows how many undocumented cases there are or what the limits are? Until we understand whether or not we’re creating consciousness and the nature of it, we shouldn’t be fucking around with anything that could wind up being conscious in any capacity that exists only as a part of a machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I would call a mobile a mini pc even if the architecture is different. Let's not be pedantic about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago What the fuck has happened to the BBC? Last week they had huge headlines about a "cure" for Huntington's disease which was nothing but hyping a drug company press release that was no where near reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 year ago* (14 children) They're not mini human brains though. They're little clusters of cells. The BBC's headline is deliberately (and irresponsibly) provocative and misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) so brains, but smaller permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago Not really. Brain cells, but not in a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Beacon@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) A human brain isn't just a lump of brain cells, it's an exquisitely intricate assemblage of brain cells in very precisely organized networks that perform very specific functions. Without the organization, the same number of brain cells are not a brain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) We flat out do not understand consciousness. There was a case of a guy living a normal life while missing 90% of his brain. Who knows how many undocumented cases there are or what the limits are? Until we understand whether or not we’re creating consciousness and the nature of it, we shouldn’t be fucking around with anything that could wind up being conscious in any capacity that exists only as a part of a machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I would call a mobile a mini pc even if the architecture is different. Let's not be pedantic about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago What the fuck has happened to the BBC? Last week they had huge headlines about a "cure" for Huntington's disease which was nothing but hyping a drug company press release that was no where near reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) so brains, but smaller permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago Not really. Brain cells, but not in a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Beacon@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) A human brain isn't just a lump of brain cells, it's an exquisitely intricate assemblage of brain cells in very precisely organized networks that perform very specific functions. Without the organization, the same number of brain cells are not a brain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) We flat out do not understand consciousness. There was a case of a guy living a normal life while missing 90% of his brain. Who knows how many undocumented cases there are or what the limits are? Until we understand whether or not we’re creating consciousness and the nature of it, we shouldn’t be fucking around with anything that could wind up being conscious in any capacity that exists only as a part of a machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I would call a mobile a mini pc even if the architecture is different. Let's not be pedantic about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago Not really. Brain cells, but not in a brain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Beacon@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) A human brain isn't just a lump of brain cells, it's an exquisitely intricate assemblage of brain cells in very precisely organized networks that perform very specific functions. Without the organization, the same number of brain cells are not a brain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) We flat out do not understand consciousness. There was a case of a guy living a normal life while missing 90% of his brain. Who knows how many undocumented cases there are or what the limits are? Until we understand whether or not we’re creating consciousness and the nature of it, we shouldn’t be fucking around with anything that could wind up being conscious in any capacity that exists only as a part of a machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I would call a mobile a mini pc even if the architecture is different. Let's not be pedantic about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) We flat out do not understand consciousness. There was a case of a guy living a normal life while missing 90% of his brain. Who knows how many undocumented cases there are or what the limits are? Until we understand whether or not we’re creating consciousness and the nature of it, we shouldn’t be fucking around with anything that could wind up being conscious in any capacity that exists only as a part of a machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago No one was leading a normal life missing 90% of their brain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Why not? I think it's only a concern if the consciousness is aware of alternatives. Plenty of conscious creatures live an awesome life while comprehending maybe 5% of wtf is going on around them. Most people don't wake up every day depressed that they weren't born in the future with awesome tech around them. Would be nice, but hardly an existential crisis imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Bruh that's like saying abuse is fine if they never see the light. It's still conscious that WILL be used like a slave in our capitalistic hell scape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Not really. A child is perfectly happy forever playing a basic game like arranging something by size, color, etc., but to a fully developed adult that is boring at best and torture if they were forced to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) A child can be abused and does not comprehend what is happening to then but that doesn't make it ok. It's not the task I am worried about but how it will be treated. Are there any guarantees that a conscious will never be developed? If it does happen then what next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ai fears have been around for decades and we're still many years, if not decades from any real Ai. Pattern recognition and ML we have now are incredibly useful for specific tasks though, so dismissing whole tech based on theoretical fears seems very conservative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I would call a mobile a mini pc even if the architecture is different. Let's not be pedantic about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It's not pedantic, your analogy isn't even close. The analogy would be if you had a pile of unconnected transistors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago That is exactly being pedantic. Nobody is concerned about the state right now but the end goal here. It is a fully functional brain that can be on par with the real counterpart. If you support this research, do you also support psycho pass kinda shit as well? Because that's exactly where this is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago What the fuck has happened to the BBC? Last week they had huge headlines about a "cure" for Huntington's disease which was nothing but hyping a drug company press release that was no where near reality. permalink fedilink source parent