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[+] -20 points 1 year ago (30 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    All animals, us included, are food for other animals, and plants.

    That's what is called an "ecosystem".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    buying meat from the grocery store is not an ecosystem

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Human beings are omnivores and nature doesn't moralize.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    “I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

    -Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good old natural factory meat

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is why I primarily only eat what I shoot, or what I catch.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    this depends on where you live, surely. i have open field farms all around me that cooperatively own a slaughterhouse. they sell meat in stores under one brand but you can go to any of the farms and get it directly.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All food is cruel. You can, at most, minimize the cruelty.

    But you should know that millions of insects are killed in agriculture. Insects are indeed animals.

    You can, if you want, minimize the amount of animals your presence in this world brings to an early death. But you cannot reduce it to zero no even near zero. Probably hundreds of small animals (most insects but surely many other small animals) die each day because things you do.

    The line on how much do you want to minimize might be on one place for you, and that's ok. But you have to respect other people lines as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This...plants feel pain. Mushrooms may actually be sentient. Everyone draws their own lines, it doesn't make them better or worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is overwhelming scientific evidence that animals feel pain and are sentient like us, and despite the pop science articles to the contrary there is no scientific evidence that plants feel pain or have sentience at all. Plants respond to stimulus in very complicated ways, that's what we have evidence for. Don't pretend the two are equivalent. Stop getting your ideas from sensationalist pop science garbage and read the actual studies.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If that were true, we wouldn't be able to digest them. Ever tried eating a tree? Or a boulder? Those aren't food for humans. I'm not gonna argue against moral motivations for veganism, but I will argue against factually incorrect ones.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Life causes cancer, plaque build-up causes heart disease. Nothing was meant to do or eat or kill anything, that's just how life evolved. Again, I'm not arguing over moral stances, I think it's very admirable. But I mean, even just as mammals we've been consuming other animals for more than 200,000,000 years! The reptiles those first mammals evolved from probably ate animals, as the fish those reptiles evolved from probably did as well. Cooked meat is very likely the evolutionary edge that lead to what what we can sentience, it obviously "works" on a biological level. To argue otherwise is delusion.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I grew up on a farm and enjoy eating meat

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Have you tried some good alternatives to meat? Like, try seitan* crumbles in a taco. With all the spices and other toppings it's really hard to tell the difference. Also, I find it almost impossible to tell an Impossible Whopper with Cheese from a regular Whopper with Cheese, after all the glop they put on it. I know those are both bottom-of-the-barrel meat choices, but maybe branch out and try a thing or two. If you don't like it - no biggie.

    I've tried casually dipping my toes into the vegetarian pool with just occasional meat substitutions. Occasionally I find something that's "No way" but more often than not, I find something that is also really tasty. It's not meat, but it's also tasty in a different way, so I don't miss meat as much. I've found vegetarian dishes I actually like. My biggest problem however is getting enough protein in my diet when I start eating mostly veggies.

    [* Seitan only if you can handle gluten. Because, it's like 100% gluten! ]

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Meat alternatives are a nice thought. I'm glad they exist for people who can accept them in place of meat. I haven't found them to be very good substitutes yet so I'm not there. I've had the impossible whopper, and while it's good, it's not a replacement for me. Hopefully more options come over the years. I'm hopeful for lab grown meat personally since it'd still be meat, just ethically produced.

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