What I'm saying is that not voting is foolish, not that voting is the only thing that should be done. In fact I'm saying that other things should be done. We clearly agree, I just think it is harmful to spread anti voting rhetoric because while it can't fix things it is still a meaningful thing that can be done with immediate consequences for many.

Voting is fine as long as you are aware that it does nothing to materially prevent fascism.

There is no such thing as preventing fascism. It's a fight every generation has to win, no matter what government they live under. It's always about delay so we can fight it again tomorrow.

Its liberals who believe that voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility.

I'll take a liberal who believes voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility over a "leftist" who believes not voting, and encouraging others not to vote, is the be all end all of their political responsibility.

Electoral democracy is ultimately a misdirection. Capitalists are the actual sources of political power in western democracies.

Yes, but a large source of that power is influencing electoral democracy. It does work, but all it does is reflect the choice of the people¹. It's just that the people have been manipulated into counterproductive choices for so long. A defeatist approach to voting is one of those choices.

No, voting can't be the only thing you do. But it should be one of the things you do, and you should do it intelligently. Yes, we all want a more representative electoral mechanic, but until we get it we need to accept the properties of the field we're playing on and act accordingly.

¹ Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and all the other ways of skewing democracy away from the actual will of the people only proves the point further. They wouldn't be bothering with all that if elections didn't have power.

Wear your respirator, hon

That was in like 2004. Not sure what red line you think you’re waiting for.

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