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[–] 70 points 1 year ago* (46 children)

I remember there was a study done on how to best slaughter swine (pigs).

The methods that were investigated included: a mechanical hit on the head, suffocation in CO2, and some other measures.

What was found was not only that the suffocation method caused significant stress in the animals, but also that the meat collected this way tasted way worse than meat collected through other slaughtering methods.


this could be relevant in this case: if fish suffocate slowly to death, meat producers might have a financial incentive to change that, to be able to sell better-quality meat, possibly at a higher price. anyways, it would make for good advertisement. that is why meat-producers (fish-producers) should take this seriously.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    And the reason we still use CO2 slaughter instead of something like Nitrogen is because.... They already have machines built for CO2 and just don't want to pay the cost of changing practices.

    Pure greed and laziness.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Also co2 is easier because you can fill a pit with it, nitrogen will just float about and disperse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    As far as I’m aware NO2 will fill a pit. In the industry I work in NO2 leaks are serious threat because the engines that are worked on are in, what is essentially, a cage that you walk down into. I’ve not experienced it myself but heard from someone who experienced it firsthand as you just start feeling sleepy. I know now that it’s because our bodies are sensitive to asphyxiation from CO2 but not NO2, so as it displaces the oxygen in our lungs you just start getting woozy and tired.

    All that being said; I am not an expert. Half this is information from diesel mechanics who work with it and the other half is from random science videos. So take it with a grain of salt.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They just know people will buy the meat no matter how much the animals were abused so why would they bother? Even those who see themselves as animal lovers happily look the other way with every purchase. The industry has all the incentives to be exceptionally cruel so of course it is.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I never understood the CO2 suffocation idea.. I mean, I don't k ow about fish, but mammals supposedly have a good detection for CO2 in their blood and it'll set off panic alarms everywhere.

    Ignoring the vegetarian discussion for a minute, if they could at least use a different gas, say nitrogen or something, it should be a lot less stressful for the animals

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (33 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Yes. It's crazy. That's why the vast majority of us don't do it.
    It's one thing to be a vegetarian for health or environmental reasons.
    When you try to convince people that meat==murder, you come across as a wackadoodle.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (31 children)
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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    All animals, us included, are food for other animals, and plants.

    That's what is called an "ecosystem".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    buying meat from the grocery store is not an ecosystem

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Human beings are omnivores and nature doesn't moralize.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    “I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

    -Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good old natural factory meat

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is why I primarily only eat what I shoot, or what I catch.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    this depends on where you live, surely. i have open field farms all around me that cooperatively own a slaughterhouse. they sell meat in stores under one brand but you can go to any of the farms and get it directly.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All food is cruel. You can, at most, minimize the cruelty.

    But you should know that millions of insects are killed in agriculture. Insects are indeed animals.

    You can, if you want, minimize the amount of animals your presence in this world brings to an early death. But you cannot reduce it to zero no even near zero. Probably hundreds of small animals (most insects but surely many other small animals) die each day because things you do.

    The line on how much do you want to minimize might be on one place for you, and that's ok. But you have to respect other people lines as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This...plants feel pain. Mushrooms may actually be sentient. Everyone draws their own lines, it doesn't make them better or worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is overwhelming scientific evidence that animals feel pain and are sentient like us, and despite the pop science articles to the contrary there is no scientific evidence that plants feel pain or have sentience at all. Plants respond to stimulus in very complicated ways, that's what we have evidence for. Don't pretend the two are equivalent. Stop getting your ideas from sensationalist pop science garbage and read the actual studies.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If that were true, we wouldn't be able to digest them. Ever tried eating a tree? Or a boulder? Those aren't food for humans. I'm not gonna argue against moral motivations for veganism, but I will argue against factually incorrect ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Life causes cancer, plaque build-up causes heart disease. Nothing was meant to do or eat or kill anything, that's just how life evolved. Again, I'm not arguing over moral stances, I think it's very admirable. But I mean, even just as mammals we've been consuming other animals for more than 200,000,000 years! The reptiles those first mammals evolved from probably ate animals, as the fish those reptiles evolved from probably did as well. Cooked meat is very likely the evolutionary edge that lead to what what we can sentience, it obviously "works" on a biological level. To argue otherwise is delusion.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I grew up on a farm and enjoy eating meat

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Have you tried some good alternatives to meat? Like, try seitan* crumbles in a taco. With all the spices and other toppings it's really hard to tell the difference. Also, I find it almost impossible to tell an Impossible Whopper with Cheese from a regular Whopper with Cheese, after all the glop they put on it. I know those are both bottom-of-the-barrel meat choices, but maybe branch out and try a thing or two. If you don't like it - no biggie.

    I've tried casually dipping my toes into the vegetarian pool with just occasional meat substitutions. Occasionally I find something that's "No way" but more often than not, I find something that is also really tasty. It's not meat, but it's also tasty in a different way, so I don't miss meat as much. I've found vegetarian dishes I actually like. My biggest problem however is getting enough protein in my diet when I start eating mostly veggies.

    [* Seitan only if you can handle gluten. Because, it's like 100% gluten! ]

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Meat alternatives are a nice thought. I'm glad they exist for people who can accept them in place of meat. I haven't found them to be very good substitutes yet so I'm not there. I've had the impossible whopper, and while it's good, it's not a replacement for me. Hopefully more options come over the years. I'm hopeful for lab grown meat personally since it'd still be meat, just ethically produced.

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