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UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict (www.cnbc.com)
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The 193-member world body approved [September 13] a nonbinding resolution endorsing the “New York Declaration,” which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions.

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[–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The problem is that it’s a non-starter for the Israelis, who want a formal Jewish ethnostate, not a pluralistic society where they happen to have good representation. Israel is a modern society and despite their best efforts, their birth rate is declining just like every other modern nation. This is a long term problem for them, being massively outnumbered by Muslims in the surrounding region, and having already 2 million Arabs living in Israel, or 20% of the nation. They fear they will fall behind demographically and their grand project will become just another Islamofacist state over time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    And… I guess this is why American conservatism is such an ally?

    The “displacement” of ‘traditional’ American Christians (subtext: white) is viewed as an existential issue, and I guess it’s because the birth rates+immigration of other groups is so much higher. This is why they want to end birthright citizenship, clamp down immigration and such, yet still focus on boosting birth rates; its viewed as existential cultural displacement.

    Same as some Israelis feel I guess. Do nothing, and Muslims will crowd out Jews. I never really thought about that.

    Being afraid of religions or races mixing is, of course, beyond bonkers. I'm ashamed Americans are so afraid of their country turning an ambiguous brown, like its some scary future.

    But I guess I see the link more clearly than I did before. MAGA’s support of Israel otherwise feels kinda weird given their antisemetic undercurrents.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well they might be antisemitic but they hate Arabs too, and with a much less complicated, pure and dehumanizing hatred. At least Jewish people can be mistaken for white.

    Plus, if you hate Jews, don’t you want them to have their own country to fuck off to? And if they destabilize and oppress the Arab world in the process? Win-win.

    Jewish interests are also just better mobilized in the US. They have a good story as our best ally in a fucked region, and they’ve succeeded in telling that story. As far back as Abraham Lincoln there has also been compassion for the Jewish people and a desire to see them in a secure homeland. But at this point that seems to be a distant third or fourth in terms of motivations to support Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think you underestimate hardcore MAGA's antisemitism, lol. And slightly overestimate the racism (which is more 'oldschool')

    You are not wrong about Jewish mobilization.

    There's just different stories told to different people, I think. Evangelical purists get the 'cultural contamination' story to sympathize with (as that's what they want in the US). Old folks get the decades-old broadcast TV version of Israel. MAGA and oldschool Republicans get the radical islam angle, hardcore MAGA gets a kind of altered reality where Trump is actually the anti-interventionists here (as they still hate Israel), he's just working towards that, somehow.

    I really think most of the branding isn't 'brown people.' Even though there is a lot of islamophobia in the US, one of MAGA's core tenants is technically non-interventionalism, and most appeals to racism aren't so explicit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There's just different stories told to different people, I think.

    Yeah that’s a smart take. Most things work that way.

    one of MAGA's core tenants is technically non-interventionalism

    (friendly spell check: you mean tenet, not tenant)

    I agree this is supposedly one of their tenets but it’s one they seem very idiosyncratic about. They cry non-intervention when they don’t care about something, but seem happy to call for intervention when they do. Maybe this isn’t cognitive dissonance but just having a high bar for intervention. If their bar criteria were clear, it would be easier to say so.

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