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[+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 101 points 1 year ago (85 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 85 child comments replies: [–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 1 year ago (3 children) 2020 was rigged -- for Trump. That's why Trump was so convinced that he should have won. There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And despite Democrats controlling the executive branch there were allowed to not only get away with trying to steal the election but to gain access to the inner workings of all the voting machines and software, sent death threats to all voting officials in swing states without fucking consequence, literally a handful of prosecutions despite hundreds over the legal line as detailed by Reuters investigations, like what the fuck good does it do getting a democrat in there? A lot of people stuck their necks out to protect democracy and we're left as the military would say with their ass hanging in the breeze. Under Fire by Republicans and not protected by democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 1 year ago (8 children) 2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago As per usual, all the Republicans have to do is accuse the Democrats of it first. Biden even refused to see the law enforced against the Republicans after they tried to end the Republic in all but name and fix elections, including a culmination where he tried to take Congress hostage and personally go down to the Capitol and force those lawmakers to sign away the Republic under an angry mob and his secret service detail. And then paint that refusal to defend the Republic which is the reason for being of our leaders, as some Noble Act. Allowing the captured justice department to remain so and fail in their statutory duties. These fucking Democrats are so fucking worthless the party needs all new staffing, from the top spots on down to the lowest spots in the party, they need to raze and burn the whole thing and build up with people that do not suck. No air support on anything related to the former administration, all because the Republicans projected their own qualities onto Joe biden. How did we, the people that want reform and refuse to be ass fucked by the rich without our consent, turn into the party of weakness? I want to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process... Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it's true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Dunno what that is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (65 children) I don't mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged? As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 65 child comments replies: [–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows. There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well. As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mika@piefed.ca 22 points 1 year ago (8 children) Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter. He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed. He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world. It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children) That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won't know whether they're right because the people who could have had it investigated didn't do so? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I'm in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago OR there's no evidence of any fraud that could've possibly overturned the election. I used to think my "side" was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (9 children) Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc. Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions. I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time). permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome. A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her? permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing. Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago How do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name's of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about: https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (11 children) None that's been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don't take it seriously. Same as last time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Our elections don't allow voting against, only voting for. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (4 children) A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war... Yeah, you're right. There's no way she could've lost. It must've been rigged! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Exactly! When asked what she would've done differently vs Biden, she said "nothing." That doesn't really motivate people to get out and vote for her. permalink fedilink source parent [–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) At least she didn't want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that's ignored, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 1 year ago (3 children) 2020 was rigged -- for Trump. That's why Trump was so convinced that he should have won. There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And despite Democrats controlling the executive branch there were allowed to not only get away with trying to steal the election but to gain access to the inner workings of all the voting machines and software, sent death threats to all voting officials in swing states without fucking consequence, literally a handful of prosecutions despite hundreds over the legal line as detailed by Reuters investigations, like what the fuck good does it do getting a democrat in there? A lot of people stuck their necks out to protect democracy and we're left as the military would say with their ass hanging in the breeze. Under Fire by Republicans and not protected by democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Hector@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And despite Democrats controlling the executive branch there were allowed to not only get away with trying to steal the election but to gain access to the inner workings of all the voting machines and software, sent death threats to all voting officials in swing states without fucking consequence, literally a handful of prosecutions despite hundreds over the legal line as detailed by Reuters investigations, like what the fuck good does it do getting a democrat in there? A lot of people stuck their necks out to protect democracy and we're left as the military would say with their ass hanging in the breeze. Under Fire by Republicans and not protected by democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 1 year ago (8 children) 2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago As per usual, all the Republicans have to do is accuse the Democrats of it first. Biden even refused to see the law enforced against the Republicans after they tried to end the Republic in all but name and fix elections, including a culmination where he tried to take Congress hostage and personally go down to the Capitol and force those lawmakers to sign away the Republic under an angry mob and his secret service detail. And then paint that refusal to defend the Republic which is the reason for being of our leaders, as some Noble Act. Allowing the captured justice department to remain so and fail in their statutory duties. These fucking Democrats are so fucking worthless the party needs all new staffing, from the top spots on down to the lowest spots in the party, they need to raze and burn the whole thing and build up with people that do not suck. No air support on anything related to the former administration, all because the Republicans projected their own qualities onto Joe biden. How did we, the people that want reform and refuse to be ass fucked by the rich without our consent, turn into the party of weakness? I want to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process... Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it's true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Dunno what that is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Hector@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago As per usual, all the Republicans have to do is accuse the Democrats of it first. Biden even refused to see the law enforced against the Republicans after they tried to end the Republic in all but name and fix elections, including a culmination where he tried to take Congress hostage and personally go down to the Capitol and force those lawmakers to sign away the Republic under an angry mob and his secret service detail. And then paint that refusal to defend the Republic which is the reason for being of our leaders, as some Noble Act. Allowing the captured justice department to remain so and fail in their statutory duties. These fucking Democrats are so fucking worthless the party needs all new staffing, from the top spots on down to the lowest spots in the party, they need to raze and burn the whole thing and build up with people that do not suck. No air support on anything related to the former administration, all because the Republicans projected their own qualities onto Joe biden. How did we, the people that want reform and refuse to be ass fucked by the rich without our consent, turn into the party of weakness? I want to change that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process... Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it's true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Dunno what that is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Dunno what that is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Dunno what that is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Pussy and dick fart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Dicks can fart? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago In reality I do not think Dicks can fart. But this was slang that was around my school around kindergarten to first grade we all learned it. Queef and quaff. I was kind of curious as to how widespread that was outside of our school. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (65 children) I don't mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged? As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 65 child comments replies: [–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows. There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well. As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mika@piefed.ca 22 points 1 year ago (8 children) Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter. He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed. He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world. It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children) That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won't know whether they're right because the people who could have had it investigated didn't do so? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I'm in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago OR there's no evidence of any fraud that could've possibly overturned the election. I used to think my "side" was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (9 children) Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc. Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions. I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time). permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome. A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her? permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing. Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago How do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name's of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about: https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (11 children) None that's been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don't take it seriously. Same as last time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Our elections don't allow voting against, only voting for. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows. There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well. As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mika@piefed.ca 22 points 1 year ago (8 children) Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter. He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed. He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world. It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children) That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (5 children) That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Is it really a thing? I don't mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I know that programming.dev doesn't defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don't show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them). At least, I believe that's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Mika@piefed.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Algorithm isn't that. It's not just a block. I don't think anyone here did create anything like that that isn't some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways. Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views. Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups. Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order. While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don't notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won't know whether they're right because the people who could have had it investigated didn't do so? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I'm in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago OR there's no evidence of any fraud that could've possibly overturned the election. I used to think my "side" was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won't know whether they're right because the people who could have had it investigated didn't do so? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I'm in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won't know whether they're right because the people who could have had it investigated didn't do so? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I'm in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago OR there's no evidence of any fraud that could've possibly overturned the election. I used to think my "side" was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago OR there's no evidence of any fraud that could've possibly overturned the election. I used to think my "side" was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote. Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (9 children) Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc. Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions. I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time). permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome. A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her? permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing. Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago How do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome. A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome. A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing. Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago How do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name's of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about: https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about: https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Add it to the pile. I wasn't mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about: https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (11 children) None that's been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don't take it seriously. Same as last time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
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[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ileftreddit@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago I'm not sure what you're talking about. I did read the article. That's how I found that bit that I quoted. Yes, cheating is bad, regardless of who does it, and I think that this should be investigated. Why did you bring it up? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Our elections don't allow voting against, only voting for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Our elections don't allow voting against, only voting for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (4 children) A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war... Yeah, you're right. There's no way she could've lost. It must've been rigged! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Exactly! When asked what she would've done differently vs Biden, she said "nothing." That doesn't really motivate people to get out and vote for her. permalink fedilink source parent [–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) At least she didn't want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that's ignored, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Exactly! When asked what she would've done differently vs Biden, she said "nothing." That doesn't really motivate people to get out and vote for her. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) At least she didn't want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that's ignored, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote. permalink fedilink source parent