▲ 344 ▼ Hypocritical Conservatives Are Using Charlie Kirk's Horrific Murder to Cynically Smear the Left (zeteo.com) submitted 1 year ago by TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 67 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 18 points 1 year ago (9 children) You can’t murder a Nazi. It’s just putting them down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -13 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Dehumanization does nothing but feed into the bad faith right wing's smearing of progressivism as a whole. Even uprisings need to consider opponents as capable of thought and assume more than constant misery. Just using different words is not going to change reality for the better, especially if said words are misleading. This is the kind of rhetoric that can be used to justify them shooting us. It's just more excuses for Trump to create a police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 year ago* (6 children) I understand what you’re saying but Trump just canceled his trip to Chicago so, I’d say you are proven wrong. The more this happens the more they fear, And since it is them getting hurt – I don’t see any problem here. You sound quite like a conservative, protecting conservatives. You should be ashamed of yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) Assuming that's what you're talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/. The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with "If you read this, you are gay LMAO". (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to "preserve national order".) We're under the whims of the state. We don't have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads' bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you. I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent [+] Noise7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago I agree with what you say, and I don't think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -13 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Dehumanization does nothing but feed into the bad faith right wing's smearing of progressivism as a whole. Even uprisings need to consider opponents as capable of thought and assume more than constant misery. Just using different words is not going to change reality for the better, especially if said words are misleading. This is the kind of rhetoric that can be used to justify them shooting us. It's just more excuses for Trump to create a police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 year ago* (6 children) I understand what you’re saying but Trump just canceled his trip to Chicago so, I’d say you are proven wrong. The more this happens the more they fear, And since it is them getting hurt – I don’t see any problem here. You sound quite like a conservative, protecting conservatives. You should be ashamed of yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) Assuming that's what you're talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/. The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with "If you read this, you are gay LMAO". (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to "preserve national order".) We're under the whims of the state. We don't have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads' bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you. I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent [+] Noise7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago I agree with what you say, and I don't think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 year ago* (6 children) I understand what you’re saying but Trump just canceled his trip to Chicago so, I’d say you are proven wrong. The more this happens the more they fear, And since it is them getting hurt – I don’t see any problem here. You sound quite like a conservative, protecting conservatives. You should be ashamed of yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) Assuming that's what you're talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/. The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with "If you read this, you are gay LMAO". (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to "preserve national order".) We're under the whims of the state. We don't have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads' bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you. I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children) Assuming that's what you're talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/. The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with "If you read this, you are gay LMAO". (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to "preserve national order".) We're under the whims of the state. We don't have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads' bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you. I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) But they haven’t. So… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) the classic example is charlottesville a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Noise7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago I agree with what you say, and I don't think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago I agree with what you say, and I don't think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.) permalink fedilink source parent