▲ 509 ▼ Google's plan to restrict sideloading on Android has a potential escape hatch for users (www.androidauthority.com) submitted 1 year ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 118 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 300 points 1 year ago (14 children) permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It is, because it's actually the term that defines the process of transferring files not from an external networked device - downloading - or to an external networked device - uploading - but between two local devices - sideloading. It's over two decades old, you downloaded an mp3 from kazaa, and then sideloaded it to your player. For android apps, I believe the term originates from the method of using ADB to directly write the app to the phone memory, the command of which is "adb sideload filename" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 38 points 1 year ago And companies ofted do it. Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them. They change what littering means in attrmpt to delute the responsibility for polution... We are better than that this time, right? permalink fedilink source parent [+] G3NI5Y5@piefed.social 60 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) And "littering" is the "real" culprit why we all drawn in uneccesey plastic. We should blame consumers not the polluters. Corporations do it all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, but littering used to be a legitimately big problem to. Like the hole in the ozone, now that it's "solved"/ the norm for it to be getting better the focus should shift to other things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago For sure. That's why it worked so well. You take a valid problem and abuse it for your corporate gains. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joshchandra@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago preferred *required FTFY, at least here in a certain country... permalink fedilink source parent [+] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca -17 points 1 year ago (6 children) Don't forget "side effects", when really, medications only have "effects". Whether the effects are intended or not doesn't change the fact that they happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago Cough medicine can induce drowsiness, but you probably shouldn't be taking it as a sleep aid. The distinction between intended vs unintended effects is an important distinction to make, in my opinion, to prevent drugs from being unintentionally misused. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) you shouldnt be taking medication not for his intended purpose, it has many warnings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Talking to the wrong guy here, I've taken many a medications against their intended purpose: I am a curious guy. But that sounds like saying, in the context of Google's intention of disabling app sideloading, that warning users that it poses a security risk because it's their intended purpose for android, is fine because the authority on android is Google. Don't just take the word of authority at face value, when they prioritize profit and mindshare over personal freedom. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Wait, so now I have to talk to a doctor before installing from F-Droid? Well, shit. For all intents and purposes, your comment actually invalidates the premise of using 'sideloading' as a term for installing from outside the 'official' method. You buy cough syrup because you're coughing, not because you want to be drowsy (I would hope that's the case). In the same way, you install Spotify to listen to music, not to get all your data extracted and sold. Getting drowsy is an inconvenient side effect of the medication, the same way that data grab and ads are an inconvenient side effect of the app. You're not 'side-medicating'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago You are the master of your body, the person who decides ultimately what goes in and out of your body, No doctor can force you to take anything. That's what I mean, The play store aka the doctor wants to become the master that decides what apps go in or out of your phone, instead of the user. My comment doesn't invalidate the premise of the use of the term sideloading, because I don't agree with the term to begin with. Whether the effect is ideal or not does not change what is chemically happening in the body. The body can't tell apart side effects from the main ones, so this distinction exists because humans deemed it so, just like the distinction between play store sanctioned apps, and everything else. It's a distinction that Google is now abusing for it's own monetary benefit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago It's a bad comparison because some people do take the medicine to get the side effects. For example taking benadryl to fall asleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) It is, because it's actually the term that defines the process of transferring files not from an external networked device - downloading - or to an external networked device - uploading - but between two local devices - sideloading. It's over two decades old, you downloaded an mp3 from kazaa, and then sideloaded it to your player. For android apps, I believe the term originates from the method of using ADB to directly write the app to the phone memory, the command of which is "adb sideload filename" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 38 points 1 year ago And companies ofted do it. Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them. They change what littering means in attrmpt to delute the responsibility for polution... We are better than that this time, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 38 points 1 year ago And companies ofted do it. Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them. They change what littering means in attrmpt to delute the responsibility for polution... We are better than that this time, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] G3NI5Y5@piefed.social 60 points 1 year ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) And "littering" is the "real" culprit why we all drawn in uneccesey plastic. We should blame consumers not the polluters. Corporations do it all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, but littering used to be a legitimately big problem to. Like the hole in the ozone, now that it's "solved"/ the norm for it to be getting better the focus should shift to other things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago For sure. That's why it worked so well. You take a valid problem and abuse it for your corporate gains. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joshchandra@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago preferred *required FTFY, at least here in a certain country... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) And "littering" is the "real" culprit why we all drawn in uneccesey plastic. We should blame consumers not the polluters. Corporations do it all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, but littering used to be a legitimately big problem to. Like the hole in the ozone, now that it's "solved"/ the norm for it to be getting better the focus should shift to other things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago For sure. That's why it worked so well. You take a valid problem and abuse it for your corporate gains. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, but littering used to be a legitimately big problem to. Like the hole in the ozone, now that it's "solved"/ the norm for it to be getting better the focus should shift to other things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago For sure. That's why it worked so well. You take a valid problem and abuse it for your corporate gains. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago For sure. That's why it worked so well. You take a valid problem and abuse it for your corporate gains. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joshchandra@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago preferred *required FTFY, at least here in a certain country... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca -17 points 1 year ago (6 children) Don't forget "side effects", when really, medications only have "effects". Whether the effects are intended or not doesn't change the fact that they happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago Cough medicine can induce drowsiness, but you probably shouldn't be taking it as a sleep aid. The distinction between intended vs unintended effects is an important distinction to make, in my opinion, to prevent drugs from being unintentionally misused. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) you shouldnt be taking medication not for his intended purpose, it has many warnings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Talking to the wrong guy here, I've taken many a medications against their intended purpose: I am a curious guy. But that sounds like saying, in the context of Google's intention of disabling app sideloading, that warning users that it poses a security risk because it's their intended purpose for android, is fine because the authority on android is Google. Don't just take the word of authority at face value, when they prioritize profit and mindshare over personal freedom. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Wait, so now I have to talk to a doctor before installing from F-Droid? Well, shit. For all intents and purposes, your comment actually invalidates the premise of using 'sideloading' as a term for installing from outside the 'official' method. You buy cough syrup because you're coughing, not because you want to be drowsy (I would hope that's the case). In the same way, you install Spotify to listen to music, not to get all your data extracted and sold. Getting drowsy is an inconvenient side effect of the medication, the same way that data grab and ads are an inconvenient side effect of the app. You're not 'side-medicating'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago You are the master of your body, the person who decides ultimately what goes in and out of your body, No doctor can force you to take anything. That's what I mean, The play store aka the doctor wants to become the master that decides what apps go in or out of your phone, instead of the user. My comment doesn't invalidate the premise of the use of the term sideloading, because I don't agree with the term to begin with. Whether the effect is ideal or not does not change what is chemically happening in the body. The body can't tell apart side effects from the main ones, so this distinction exists because humans deemed it so, just like the distinction between play store sanctioned apps, and everything else. It's a distinction that Google is now abusing for it's own monetary benefit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago It's a bad comparison because some people do take the medicine to get the side effects. For example taking benadryl to fall asleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knitwitt@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago Cough medicine can induce drowsiness, but you probably shouldn't be taking it as a sleep aid. The distinction between intended vs unintended effects is an important distinction to make, in my opinion, to prevent drugs from being unintentionally misused. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) you shouldnt be taking medication not for his intended purpose, it has many warnings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Talking to the wrong guy here, I've taken many a medications against their intended purpose: I am a curious guy. But that sounds like saying, in the context of Google's intention of disabling app sideloading, that warning users that it poses a security risk because it's their intended purpose for android, is fine because the authority on android is Google. Don't just take the word of authority at face value, when they prioritize profit and mindshare over personal freedom. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Talking to the wrong guy here, I've taken many a medications against their intended purpose: I am a curious guy. But that sounds like saying, in the context of Google's intention of disabling app sideloading, that warning users that it poses a security risk because it's their intended purpose for android, is fine because the authority on android is Google. Don't just take the word of authority at face value, when they prioritize profit and mindshare over personal freedom. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Wait, so now I have to talk to a doctor before installing from F-Droid? Well, shit. For all intents and purposes, your comment actually invalidates the premise of using 'sideloading' as a term for installing from outside the 'official' method. You buy cough syrup because you're coughing, not because you want to be drowsy (I would hope that's the case). In the same way, you install Spotify to listen to music, not to get all your data extracted and sold. Getting drowsy is an inconvenient side effect of the medication, the same way that data grab and ads are an inconvenient side effect of the app. You're not 'side-medicating'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago You are the master of your body, the person who decides ultimately what goes in and out of your body, No doctor can force you to take anything. That's what I mean, The play store aka the doctor wants to become the master that decides what apps go in or out of your phone, instead of the user. My comment doesn't invalidate the premise of the use of the term sideloading, because I don't agree with the term to begin with. Whether the effect is ideal or not does not change what is chemically happening in the body. The body can't tell apart side effects from the main ones, so this distinction exists because humans deemed it so, just like the distinction between play store sanctioned apps, and everything else. It's a distinction that Google is now abusing for it's own monetary benefit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago It's a bad comparison because some people do take the medicine to get the side effects. For example taking benadryl to fall asleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago You are the master of your body, the person who decides ultimately what goes in and out of your body, No doctor can force you to take anything. That's what I mean, The play store aka the doctor wants to become the master that decides what apps go in or out of your phone, instead of the user. My comment doesn't invalidate the premise of the use of the term sideloading, because I don't agree with the term to begin with. Whether the effect is ideal or not does not change what is chemically happening in the body. The body can't tell apart side effects from the main ones, so this distinction exists because humans deemed it so, just like the distinction between play store sanctioned apps, and everything else. It's a distinction that Google is now abusing for it's own monetary benefit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago It's a bad comparison because some people do take the medicine to get the side effects. For example taking benadryl to fall asleep. permalink fedilink source parent