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[–] 73 points 1 year ago (21 children)

IRC was and still is just fine. Not as flashy as some of the newer stuff it had everything you could ask for in text-based chat.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    With all the garbage happening privacy-wise - breaches, data farming, ads, e2ee removal - with all well-known messengers, I've decided to take messaging into my own hands. The solution turned out to be a 25 year old system called XMPP. Like you say, XMPP isn't as flashy (some desktop clients still look like AOL) but is solid.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    what about matrix? its new, opensouce, decentralized and still actively developed, everything you could ask for

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I second the controversy, owners of the program kinda suck (like Lemmy really) but mainly I was using a fork of Conduit for my server called Conduwuit but the single maintainer got bullied off the internet and they couldn't hack the abuse, so they had to retreat and stop maintaining everything to recover their health. Here is their statement. They were open about having a furry/puppy kink and so constantly got people attacking them, spreading rumours and accusing them of bestiality and paedophilia.

    Anyway, as my favourite fork was no longer maintained, and as Matrix the devs were working on proprietary modifications (Element X) that were basically already invented, plus some security issues alongside trusting them, the first of which being that some of my traffic between my server and my client was routed through them, I chose XMPP.

    Speaking of Matrix, there is a recent vulnerability for federated servers that needs to be addressed by hosters.

    XMPP does have its downsides, though. No pretty desktop clients, and the OMEMO verification with no backward decryption meaning when you use a new client, your previous encrypted messages are never readable.. In this Matrix trumps.

    It's just really hard to stay mindful of ethics, privacy and stuff.

    I just learned that Conduwuit has been officially taken on by both a stable team of developers under a fork called Tuwunel, and an unknown amount of volunteers under the name Continuwuity. The whole situation is messy as fuck. I might migrate back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I migrated back. :)

    I chose Matrix (continuwuity) because it's less involved for others to chat and set up settings, and that's key to bring more folk into a new ecosystem - as little friction as possible. It's far from perfect, as I have no call functionality*, but it's simpler to handle chat encryption, plus Element, Matrix and the maintainers of each server project are working hard to catch up to the mainstream.

    Element are hoping to implement Element Call, as well as a QR scan that handles all of the security key validating for a new device, and MAS authentication) so people will be able to register accounts and set up 2FA.. And I concluded that, in the end, backwards decryption was more valuable and sacrificing previous messages was just too extreme a move. I have security, moderating traffic, and I'm self hosting. That's enough for my family.

    *I swear I had calling available with Conduwuit, coturn and Element, but hey ho.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It lately had a bunch of controversy around it, development is pretty halted and the inability to stop randos from spam inviting you into chats with csam kinda is a nono for me.

    XMPP is a protocol, not a program, so you can use whatever program that supports XMPP, it pretty much has the same functionalities as matrix, bar the screen share but there's several clients like Dino that let you video call, which with something like OSB virtual camera, I can bridge in the screen.

    I do like the shiny new fads but having a mature protocol that is the used by shiny programs and lets you talk to older program users too sounds better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Matrix is also a protocol, which is implemented or federated as the instance admin(s) dictate. You make it sound like telegram.
    France and Germany both have government departments running their own customized matrix clients and servers to facilitate secure messaging without relying on sketchy companies like meta.

    I'd love to know where you heard development is halted or that it has a problem with kiddie diddlers.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well no, it doesn't keep a history of chats for once. You don't have a record of conversations if your client wasn't running at that time. There's a few other limitations that I'm not familiar with, that prompted many people and orgs to switch to things like rocket chat or matrix

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not just text anymore.

    I use TheLounge as a client. It's web based and can show previews of images and videos. So my friends and I can upload images and videos to the server and watch them in the channel.

    Convos also does this.

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    I'd really like to suggest servers or networks but I host my own private server with TheLounge for my friends. We ran away from Undernet around 2010 and just stayed on our own server since.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Twitch, at least did, have a IRC version of their chat. So you could stream the video with like mpv and have irssi to avoid the browser, and basically have the full experience

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Aye, in the early days you could connect straight to twitch chat with any old IRC client. It's probably still possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has deviated too much to be a pleasurable experience. There are still dedicated chat clients. I used to use a Java based one called Chatty back in the day.

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