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    You have hit the point exactly. As a trans person, I'm not fighting for the right to obey a different set of social norms than the ones I was assigned at birth.

    I'm fighting for the right to not obey gender norms at all, and (relatedly but separately) the right to modify my body to my liking.

    In an ideal world, I wouldn't need to declare myself non religious - I could just not be religious and no one would care. Similarly, in my ideal world "transness" would cease to exist because there would be no expectation of conformity against which I currently stand out by my transgressing them.

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    Because both matter. It's a spectrum, and trans rights are just one part of that spectrum: people who feel/identify entirely as though they were born in the wrong body and want to fix that. That is as much their right as those of us who may want to dress and how we like. But there are small-minded people who see that as wrong.

    People who have a problem with trans people, will eventually come for those of us who don't dress or act to fit their stereotype of what our gender should be. They just think it's easier to scare people about that kind of body modification when we all make choices about hair length, fingernails, piercings, tattoos, etc.

    Trans rights are the same rights as my right to paint my fingernails and have long hair as a man. It's all just bodily autonomy, and there are people like my mother who see both as bad/against God. Give a bigot an inch, and they'll take a mile.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    On top of the answers you got there is a problem of semantics. "Feminine" can mean very different things in different contexts once you step even slightly out of the cishet gender binary.

    Standard English lacks a concise way to convey the idea of fashion choices reclaimed from "feminine" fashion as its own (usually but not necessarily) male gay thing. We call that "femme" or "effeminate", but the difference between a cross-dresser and a hairy gay man wearing a crop top and booty shorts is obvious. We call that "femme clothing" because we lack a better word for it, but that archetypal gay man isn't any less masc for it and probably isn't any closer to attracting archetypal lesbians or straight men.

    Another way semantics betray us is when we call emotionally available/sensitive men "effeminate". Usually in a misogynistic way, but regardless men who are emotionally sensitive aren't "feminine".

    At the end of the day "being a man" is a vibe, the sum of countless things that aren't offset simply because a small part of your gender presentation is borrowed from traditionally female things. And vice-versa, neo-nazis on their gym grind aren't better men because they put on 100 kg of useless muscle and refuse to shake a woman's hand.

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    • Being trans isn't about gender stereotypes. There are plenty of GNC trans people.
    • Gender is a social construct and it doesn't have to be sexist when consented to. No woman owes feminism to shave their head and wear cargo shorts. If gender truly is a choice then how could it be sexist?
    • Some people feel strongly man or woman, some feel strongly neither or both, some don't feel strongly any way. That's just a fact of life and no amount of social theorizing will invalidate those people's feelings.
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fallacies upon fallacies.

    The right to self-actualization is not equivalent to hatred nor an enforced social order of arbitrary and repressive rules. You don't get to pull the "it's just feelings" card to defend bigotry.

    Gender characteristics are not the same thing as stereotypes and either way none of that is inherently sexist. Characteristics just are. The weighted sum of gender characteristics is how we perceive gender outwardly – which is not necessarily correlated to internal perception of gender. Sexism only happens because some people use that outwards perception of gender to make ill judgment and enforce unfair rules. That's on them, not the person being perceived.

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    Don't make the mistake of starting from the "enlightened centrist" hypothesis that everyone's a little bit right and working backwards to a justification why an absolute moral position is supposedly hypocritical.

    This isn't about my feelings, this is about a right to self-actualization.

    And you clearly didn't understand my point if you are getting hung up on this idea of gender stereotypes. I could be 150 cm with humongous pendulous tits, hair down to my BBL, a miniskirt and a crop-top with my nipples poking through, 30 cm stillettos, Marilyn Monroe's face, enough makeup to smother a small child, and the brattiest attitude you've ever seen in your life. That still would not give anyone the right to be sexist. You're the one bringing sexism into this like it's somehow inextricable from the experience of gender.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Fun fact social genderism is a construct. So the only thing that defines what is masculine is what the avg person does.

    It's not different then slang.

    At one point people called losers squares. That changed and fell out of fashion.

    Masculinity is just the same. It's slang, it changes by the decade and century. If enough men do something that's masculine. If enough women do it then it's feminine. If everyone does it then it's nongendered.

    Gendered terminology is deeply rooted to language and class. So just do what you want, get your friends and community to do it. Start a movement or don't.

    End of the day, it doesn't really matter. Its going to change no matter what anyone wants. Humanity is after all a social animal, and what the tribe does at large decides our language and views.

    So do your part and be true to yourself. Your influence may be small but together we are strong.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    what does it mean to be masculine?

    confidence in yourself

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