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No, really, I just care about hygiene (lemmy.sdf.org)
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A good old handshaking meme. In the top two people are shaking hands, one labeled "Pathfinder" and the other "Dungeons & Dragons." In the lower image the "Pathfinder" hand is washing at a sink with soap and water.
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[–] 17 points 1 year ago (19 children)

What are some highlights that make you feel that way? I've never played.

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  • [–] [S] 65 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Here's my list:

    • It scales very well from level 1-20. The math just works at all levels of play.
    • 3 action rounds
    • Encounter design and balancing is easy for the busy GM
    • All of the classes are good, flavorful, and have interesting options
    • Teamwork is highly encouraged through class and ability design
    • Martial/Caster/Support balance
    • Degrees of success/failure
    • Easy, free access to the rules
    • The ORC license
    • https://pathbuilder2e.com/
    • Pathfinder Society Organized play is well done and well supported by Paizo
    • The rune system for magic weapons/armor
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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Great list. Totally agreed across the board, and I'd add that they just folded Starfinder into the PF2e engine, which means that it now has a ton more content for it (including some stuff that isn't sci-fi exclusive).

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I don't know if I agree that all classes are good.

    Oracle and Gunslinger have always (at least in my mind) seemed to be overly weak. Like, Gunslinger seems like if should be a high damage output class, but lack of Dex to Damage really seems to hinder him from being a hard hitter. Lol, not to mention, guns just feel really weak.

    For Oracle, her curse seems a major downside without a compensating upside (at least until late levels; haven't built one above lv 5).

    I'd love to hear counterpoints of anyone has any.

    To be clear, 95% agree with your takes though.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    but lack of Dex to Damage really seems to hinder him from being a hard hitter.

    This is offset by nearly every firearm having the lethal trait, where on a crit their damage dice increase in size and they get an addition damage die.

    The class is built around crit-fishing, and it works well. Granted, it gets hard to reliably crit higher-level enemies, but that's easily offset by the party working together

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm a gunslinger in one of the games I play in, and yeah, I don't do barbarian numbers, but I hold my own, and it is a FUN class to play. I built a dual-wielder with the hopes that it would play like Han Solo running down the hallway shooting back at stormtroopers, and it delivers.

    Plus, being 60 feet away means that I can help everyone do damage at once. It makes the party happy, too.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hmmm, okay. So I have a personal affinity for Swashbucklers. Compared to a proper fighter, they don't lay down much damage, but they can move, and then when you get where you need to be, you can lay down pain in other ways (love a good tumble through + trip).

    I remember immediately seeing the value in all that when it was first released, even though my party said that it felt way to convoluted. I think I'm just in the other side of that kind of conversation here.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    That's awesome. I haven't gotten my head around a swashbuckler myself, but the ones I've seen play definitely feel like they're "of a kind" with gunslingers.

    It's worth noting, too, that the gunslinger "way" that you choose will define a lot of how the class plays. My pistolero's quick, seemingly careless gunplay will feel very different from someone who builds a sniper and is much more methodical and sneaky.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Re: oracle

    Being a divine spontaneous caster fucks; your entire spell list is Heal if you need it, and literally anything else if you don't. And trading a spell/day and slightly smaller repertoire for some extra durability is generally worth it in my experience.

    Also Divine Access means you can pretty much pick whatever spells you want, and more as more gods come out or you and your GM make some more.

    I liked the focus spells more back when battle oracles weren't hit with the nerf bat and could literally just be the juggernaut whenever they got cursed

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I've always been allergic to spell casters (the strategy behind the best use of spell slots just never clicked for me - which is extra painful because it seems like if should be simple, but I consistently manage to botch it), going back to when i picked this all up in the 3.0e days.

    I think that's caused me to not really engage with the spell casting side of spell casters in PF2e. I remember in 3.5, we banned Mystics because spontaneous divine spell casting was broken, so maybe I just need to run one to see if work.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Also the sheer amount of stuff they print. They are continuously putting out high quality adventures with a storyline that makes sense and doesn't have giant blank spots that you're expected to fill in for a few levels. They're switching to a quarterly hardcover model instead of a monthly adventure next year. The rulebooks are nice and paizo isn't shy about making new ancestries, classes, and options for existing ones, and they balance the more odd or possibly unbalanced options by making them uncommon or rare such that they require GM approval to take. And a whole bunch of setting books that examine all corners of their world, from over views of whole continents to deep dives into specific cities.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    Two big things I love:

    • Three action system: every "activity" (strike, stride, cast a spell, etc) has an action cost. On a standard turn, your character gets 3 actions to spend on those various activities. This obviates the need for DnD's rules about spending a whole turn running since you can just spend multiple actions striding.

    • Keyword system: PF2e leans more onto standardized keywords and uses them appropriately. Everything (all actions, weapons, items, even statuses) has a set of traits that (usually) briefly explains how the thing acts. It allows for standardized templates for interactions between different elements of the game. This takes a HUGE burden off the GM during game play, esp for modules that weren't written to think about each other. All the examples I can think of would take several pages to explain, but you can look up some things on Easy Tools and see their traits.

    Bonus thing I love: all the rules are openly published, leading to TONS of extra tools that just make the game easier to run. (That said you should buy a set of books to help the publishers after you've been converted).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think one of the biggest things, besides not being owned by WOTC, is that it doesn't have a million exceptions you have to remember.

    D&D5e: Want to use your bonus action? Cool. Is it for a spell? Have you cast a spell this round? Is it a spell that's allowed to be cast even if you've cast a spell?

    Pathfinder2e: Do you have enough actions to perform an action? OK, do it.

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