Oh, wow, that's a lot closer than I imagined, tbh! I'm crossing my fingers.

Support for X11 is not going away anytime soon.

Not that I mean anything to the xfce project, but after 20years of xfce, i'm hoping I can just curmudgeon my way onto Wayland.

The alternative seems to be plasma.

Highlights

• Xfce 4.20 components have received further stability and Wayland improvements, including fixes for several Thunar crashes and a more resilient Xfce Panel on Wayland.
• Ristretto 0.14.0 adds slideshow shuffling, sorting that follows Thunar, opening images from web links, and smarter printing.
• Xfce Screenshooter 1.11.3 now supports region and fullscreen screenshots on Wayland and has sharper previews on HiDPI displays.
• Xfce Terminal 1.2.0 brings Shift+Enter to jump between search matches, an option to turn off URL highlighting, better mouse pass-through for programs like tmux and vim, and lower CPU usage.
• Xfce Power Manager 4.20.1 adds shutdown as an inactivity action and fixes backlight device selection.
• GNOME 50 apps, including Disk Usage Analyzer, Font Viewer, Mines, Sudoku, and Document Scanner, are further refined with new features and usability improvements.
• LibreOffice 26.8 and GIMP 3.2.6 bring the latest features and fixes to Xubuntu’s office and graphics apps.

I'll give it a try, thanks for posting.

Settings > Window Manager Tweaks > Accesibility tab > Automatically tile windows when moving toward the screen edge

Just in case the link breaks, this is the answer.

Sometimes forums go defunct, or someone deletes the account, or just the links go dead.

Thanks, that works!

Thanks! That works!

Settings > Window Manager Tweaks > Accesibility tab > Automatically tile windows when moving toward the screen edge

EDIT: Oops, someone already gave the answer.

Some search results suggest going to Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Accessibility and disabling the option for tiling windows when moved toward the screen edge.

Here you go: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12114

XFCE has long been my favorite DE for lightweight systems. It's so flexible!

My dumb ass just spent days carving out a cleaned version of the XML panel config to use in my nix settings…

This is about to make life way easier, thanks for the share!!

Missed this when it was first posted, extremely disappointing to see.

Having the menu bar at the top is one thing apple did right. It's at the top of every window and program, so why windows insists on putting the start menu at the bottom is beyond me from a UX and ergonomics perspective.

My xfce has been like this for almost two decades.

Vibe coding would be having the LLM generate most of the code for him.

In this case, he's not doing that. This is mostly him using the LLM in ways to write up reports on xfwm4, scan for issues, and help with pseudo-code.

It’s easily saved me months of time, not in writing code (for non-trivial things, I can usually write it just as fast or faster), but in tracking down problems and helping me figure out solutions, whether that’s in Claude reading and reasoning about my code to find something that’s wrong, or in adding tons of targeted debugging prints to gather the information we need, and then sifting through the log file for me to do analysis.

So what's a good alternative? LXDE? lxqt? mate? I feel so disappointed

@freezr @lambalicious @maggotbrain people have outsourced their thinking to megacorporations.

@zbrown @lambalicious @maggotbrain why?

If you have been trusting these people all these years, there is not reasons to stop to trust them because the use AI/LLM.

Trust is not an inherent attribute of a system. It's a resource, and it can be spent – as well as misspent. This is an example of them choosing to spend that trust, thus giving me the reason.

Delving into AI means cashing out on all the trust they had gotten from me. From this point onwards, at least in what respects to me, they're starting from scratch... technically they are starting with negative points, but that's besides the point; the trust is spent.

Research "thermocline of trust".

@konato @lambalicious @maggotbrainThis is a bias, at certain point there is a trade off, and you must deal with compromises. This applies to almost everything.

@freezr @lambalicious @maggotbrain The more you use a tool the less you double check its results, you become complacent with what it does, this is fine for actual tools that produce deterministic results, the slop machine is the opposite of that.

@lambalicious @maggotbrainI do believe he is in his right to explore new technologies.If you have been trusting these people all these years, there is not reasons to stop to trust them because the use AI/LLM.These guys already demonstrate what they know and what are capable of, I do trust them.The aid of Claude can help to get his achievement faster than ever. This is the truth, and for a project with limited manpower, like Xfce4, I think that is clever leverage this technology.