I hope so lol

They are going to sell about 3 metric fucktons of these things.

Strong disagree. I don't have the funds to keep up with PC Hardware. If I could buy a dedicated machine I probably switch to that completely.

A couple of the youtubers pointed out that Valve custom built the motherboard with CEC support which is NOT something you'll find on consumer grade hardware. The Steam Machine is about bridging the gap between the typical desktop PC experience and the console experience. They've been edging closer and closer to a console experience for years. Maybe this time consumers will see those console benefits as worth the PC price point.

I think Valve never had intentions of making profit with its hardware division (Probably why they have a 2-year warranty and don't mind hardware returns that much). They just don't want total loss leaders ala Costco Hot Dog, so are trying to find a good balance.

"We don't want people to think we're getting into hardware because we want to make a ton of money, because hardware is traditionally a low-margin, crappy business. We believe that in order to push the company's platforms forward we need to design hardware that brings better experiences for people."

(paraphrased) Gabe Newell, from Bringus Studios' video "Valve's Secret Computer that I'm not supposed to have" , with interview footage provided by Tyler McVicker.

Pretty much. I have a game room with my high end PC, but its not a great setup for local co op with the wife and kid, so I use a steamdeck on a dock in my living room. It works well most of the time, but having a dedicated machine for the living room with more power would be awesome to me. I suspect I am not alone on that. Honestly Im at an age too where I would like to be on the couch for a lot of my solo games and dont need the crazy graphics as much. Having my entire steam library on hand is way better than starting over with whatever the new sony or microsoft console is.

There's no point right now, but if the Steam Machine becomes a well established product, then they totally could release a higher spec one. Once people are familiar with SteamOS and PC gaming, they would be open to paying more for more power. But let's just get people in the door for now.

I doubt it. That would make it pretty DOA.

Also the thing is tiny compared to a midsize tower that is common for desktop PCs. It really packs a decent punch for something barely bigger than a GameCube with the power block built in.

The vast, vast majority of steam games will run at high settings on the listed specs no issue. New AAA titles will need to drop their settings down a bit, but should still run fine. I am totally on board and looking forward to one.

I hope it does, either with direct ports or improved proton compatibility.

I run windows because I have work tools that don't work in Linux, like our remote access tools. But if I could I would swap over. It's not worth it having seperate machines or installs for me.

I wonder if that loss is just over the production cost, or the total cost? They put a lot of time and effort into prototyping.

I'm not sure what price point they could have sold it at that would have actually covered the years of development.

They did sell the Steam Deck initially at a loss (Gaben was even quoted as saying the price point was "painful"), so I'd suspect it'd be a similar story here with production at scale lowering the cost to Valve over the sales lifetime.

For 6C Zen 4, RDAN3 and that memory config? With SKUs straight from AMD?

No way, $1K max. I bet it’s much cheaper.

Maybe the “analysts”are thinking of the huge margin over retail costs boutique builders charge. But that is not applicable to Valve. They have amortization through long term volume, they have a direct relationship with AMD, and their margin comes from Steam sales.

I thought that's the steam frame (index pricing for the full set was also $1k)

Yes prebuilts and DIY are the "elsewhere" they were talking about. The steam machine will effectively have the same ease of use as a typical console. A prebuilt with a normal OS is very far from that level of comfort.

True. I do feel like valve has at least a little bit of consumer goodwill that is working in their favor, also. I'd be much more likely to buy a steam machine over a similarly spec'd iBuyPower or something.

Isn't that what they're saying?
If you want high power, build yourself or turn a pre-built into a steam machine.

If you just want to pick up something that works a-la stream deck, grab this and go. It's not competing with the high end market.

Then we run into a pricing issue. If the price tag for this is lower or at MSRP compared to the console competition, that would be a big win for entry level (or casual) gamers who want to take advantage of the PC ecosystem, sales, and versatility.

Granted, if this thing is priced like a high-spec prebuilt, all bets are off. If this is $600 or lower, this will sell very well and have an invested community.

So is this just ignoring the existence of high spec prebuilts already on the market and thriving? This obviously isn't true. PC building is a hobby that heavily overlaps with PC gaming, but that venn diagram isn't a complete circle. Some people just want to buy a rig that performs well without having to select and build every component.

Same, I'm so excited to leave windows once and for all

This could be it for me. PCVR is the only reason I still run Windows. If this headset is reasonably priced, or if it causes the index to come down in price enough, I can finally get rid of this preposterous OS.

"Y'know that shit installs spyware on your computer right? You wanna play some Dota instead?"

Do you just passively accept things that your friends do, or do you actively engage in the decision making process?