[–] [S] 0 points 3 hours ago

The being with a true disability that is all-powerful must truly be aller-powerfuler than another being that lacks that true disability.

Yeah, it's a silly argument, but that's because theology as a whole is silly.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I do not think a being can be all-powerful and have a disability, because a disability is a lack of ability. Any limitations must be self-imposed and not substantive—they would have to be purely symbolic—or the being would otherwise be limited, and therefore not omnipotent.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    To be omnipotent, one must be capable of giving oneself perfect ability. It doesn't require that one must have perfect ability.

    A being that is all-powerful despite having a disability must truly be more powerful than a being that doesn't have that limitation. In fact, the being that is all-powerful despite having the most limitations must be the most allest-powerfulest of all.

    This is just the semantic word games you get with terms like "all-powerful". I've never cared for arguing about the term, because it's ill-defined 🤷

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    there is actually a belief systems like this and not like the lovecraftian comment. Maybe more philosophy in belief systems but it goe back to ancient philosophers and was proposed with christian intellectuals.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    I don't kmowbif the problem is my Lemmy app or what, but I can't resize this comic to make the teeny tiny text readable like I used to with smbc comics.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (5 children)

    It is not that a smarter creator is more powerful, but that an all-powerful creator, by virtue of being all-powerful, must be capable of expanding its own intelligence. If it cannot, it is incapable of something, which makes it not all-powerful.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

    If we can design intelligences, most intelligences will be designed.

    How do you prove that creating beings do not number greater than the intelligences they have created?

    Of those intelligences, most will be smarter than us because otherwise they would have little use.

    We create simple machines and inferior artificial "intelligences" with limited capabilities for menial tasks. It seems to me that it would make more sense to create many inferior intelligences for menial works, especially in robotics. For example, in mining, to reduce human loss.

    We are likely designed intelligence.

    How do we know a god exists? Or how do we know this god can create intelligences like ours, just because we (for the purposes of this hypothetical) can?

    Our creator is even stupider [sic] than us.

    This assumes that designed intelligences must be superior to their creators, which is not logical, as I pointed out. Still, let us assume there is a creator that is, as this comic states, omnipotent.

    If this god is omnipotent, it would have, by virtue of omnipotence, no irremovable restrictions on its power, meaning it could expand its own intellect. So we cannot assume it is dumb.

    If humans are created for our use, as the comic suggests, then this god must be self-serving. If the god that creates humans is omnipotent (and therefore capable of expanding its intellect) and self-serving, why create humans? The only reason that is visible to me is for worship or some other self-gratification. Why make worshipers with superior intellect? Imagine "awesome is the god who has half our intellect" as a hymn of praise! If anything, it is an insult.

    God is all powerful and dumb.

    If a deity is all-powerful and dumb, that deity can increase its intelligence because it is omnipotent. One cannot be both omnipotent and incapable of increasing one's own intelligence. For if one is incapable of anything, that being cannot also be omnipotent. One could argue on this basis that, since a lack of intellect is a disability, it is a lack of ability, and therefore incompatible with omnipotence.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    How can beings of limited intelligence design an intelligence that is superior to their own? If they were capable of doing so, would that not undermine the idea that they have a limit on their intelligence? They must necessarily be intelligent enough to comprehend a state of intelligence greater than their own and imagine it clearly and then bring it into reality.

    It would be more apt to say that an intelligence superior to our own would design itself after a certain point, at which point I don't think it's correct to say that we designed it, more that it evolved beyond it's own Human-designed limitations.

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