But do you consider it inherently harmful to have a collection of services with a common login and shared resources like contact list or integrated calendar? It's always possible to have one provider per service, like signal for messages, a standalone calendar, a standalone video meeting program, etc, but then we expect users to make a lot of informed decisions. There seems to be a demand for ecosystems where people don't have to connect services to their own stack, is this bad in itself, or can there be both good and bad actors in this area?

Google is an ecosystem company

Proton is an ecosystem company

Previous customer, no longer my problem.

I don't think we can ever trust that someone will stay good forever. But I also don't want to dismiss someone because they might turn evil in the future. For me I mostly look for the question "how easy/hard would it be to suddenly move to a different provider". I.e. am I locked in?

Privacy and Security may also depend on the server where the AI model is runnig. Having a 3rd party tool using the API is a nice thing for sure. But OpenAI will still use the prompt data and sell that (if someone inputs sensitive information. So privacy gone. For security similar.

Ecosystems are a non-issue when they make it easy to export your data and import it somewhere else.

I like Proton as far as a premium product is likable. But Google already taught me that putting all my eggs in one basket is a bad idea. Ecosystems trap you and make it a hassle to switch. Same goes for Proton because eventually it will enshittify or be enshittified by regulators and you will wish not having done everything with Proton.

And the bigger the ecosystem grows, the higher the cost and will it really be worth to pay ever increasing subscription fees for a service when you only use 20% of the features? Because I think that‘s where we are already headed.

What guarantees Proton will be good?

When Proton bought competitor SimpleLogin, was that good for the average person? How about when they bought competitor Standard Notes?

The people interested in privacy don't assume something is good until proven otherwise. They assume it is bad until proven good.

Google is an ad company, using surveillance and tracking to sell more ads, is that what you mean? Or Google started as a search engine, and now they're an ecosystem? What about Protons business model is evil?

They want to be google, they just never bothered with the 'don't be evil' part.

I interpret it as they want to be an ecosystem, because most people want the convenience of ecosystems. And far down that line, that means it will have more services like a chat and phone and browser etc.
On the grapheneos forum they were quick to say "they're making a phone!", but I think he's just describing what it means to try to be an ecosystem.

I know this isn't the point, but like... Am I the only one who sees Perry the Platypus here?

Tl;dr:

We continue to build the torment nexus, and your government is excited about it no matter were you live.

You’re right; my previous answer wasn’t helpful. Let me try again.

Yeah it's unfortunate the sheer amount of slop being pushed by sloppers letting the clankers "represent" these days.

Don't bother. Lemmy is too far up it's own ass. You may be able to have an actual discussion on Hacker News.

Grok is this real?

The amount of people using ai and arnt drunk dude bros seems to countable on two hands and a foot at best.

It ain't a lot. They exist but damn it's rare.

I almost feel like accurate should also some how be in the pie chart but in a manner that makes no logical sense.

The second half of your comment is basically what big tech companies do for a living.

What's the point of half of the software standards they proposed, and bribed officials to accept them without addressing issues?

There is no point, other than money.

Kinda unrelated, but i hate how there are so many things with the name proton. Also doesnt help how easy i can misremember photon as proton

It wouldn’t be a silent ratchet though. Attestations require a hardware-backed passkey, which makes them non-transferable. And you can’t convert a software-backed passkey into a hardware-backed passkey. So if your passkey is stored by a password manager that syncs, you’re good.

[Okay, technically it doesn’t have to be hardware-backed to be attested. But if it’s software-backed the attestation becomes of such low quality that it’s not accomplishing the goal anymore. When a device attests that the passkey is coming from device X running OS Y, but that exact same passkey is also synced to other devices running other OSes, the server loses most of the reason to trust that attestation.]

Worth noting for the second option, last time I had an Amazon package delivered, I saw the guy pull up, so before he got out of the van. I was waiting with my hand out; he didn't say anything, but stepped past me to put the package on the porch and take a picture of that, then he picked up the delivery and handed it to me.

I live in a fairly rural area. I doubt there are any lockers near enough by to make it worthwhile. Maybe a PO Box.

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