I like the atomic nature of it

Did you mean immutable? Never heard of an “atomic distro” before.

because no one wnats to dare to browse the ancient treseaure debian's website is

Oh man, that thread is tame compared to some of the bug reports I've seen. I like a bit of popcorn drama but Goyal is so hostile it's not popcorn worthy and just straight cringe.

I don't know if the Dev uses LLMs (EDIT: He does) but he's been very lackadaisical about security. His code is often messy or takes shortcuts (I'm not a programmer, I just read what other folks who do have programming skills have brought up with him as issues). And he's been crazy hostile in some bug reports to the point of being nasty and dismissive (including important security bugs). I don't use Kitty because it's overkill for my needs (I've recently switched from Konsole to Foot) but the lazy security is making me seriously look into alternatives to Calibre because I no longer trust having it on my machine. Do an internet search for something like Kovid Goyal hostility or security issues and you'll quickly come across discussions and bug reports demonstrating his shit attitude.

This is true, they even say so on the download page. I don't know why you are being downvoted

Unfortunately most people won't notice it affecting their user experience until it's too late. A lot of the manipulation and take over is happening quietly in the background. I'm still using Linux, albeit a more independent and systemd-less flavour. Buy I'm also not afraid to jump to BSD if and when the need arises. Personally I would prefer the community fought back more so Linux stays FOSS and community first. The tech world is already shitty enough as it is without losing Linux to the techbros as well. Apathy is a shortcut to that which is why I recommend folks read the history and learn for themselves what's needed.

I have my main distro installed on one nvme, and have 4 50Gib partitions set aside on another for playing around with up to 4 other distros. No microslop. No other distro that I have tried had an issue with that set up.

I will check it out again some day on my old (pre nvme) pc instead. Much easier with 2.5" drives

Konsole is a great terminal emulator and I used it for more then a decade (together with yakuake, which is Konsole anyway), but on my machine (8 years old Thinkpad with integrated Intel GPU) it's too slow in rendering on a 4k screen. Scrolling too fast in my nvim session makes it stutter.

Kitty (and I assume it's other accelerated brethren) is butter smooth when doing the same. I replace yakuake using a second Kitty process and a Kwin script to appear it and disappear it with F12 or another shortcut.

Funny enough you don’t need to root a phone for MDM generally because otherwise “bring your phone to work” systems would never work. It’s a very classic case of “rules for thee but not for me” because it gets in the way of corporate profit.

That being said the only open source MDM I’m aware of with real capability and stability is https://fleetdm.com/. I would stay far away from anything vibe coded or even just younger than a year

EDIT: after looking at it, it appears Google locks MDM capability though “Android enterprise” or whatever the fuck that is and you need to tie it to a domain name so ymmv

https://fleetdm.com/guides/android-mdm-setup

omg, I never realized that kitty and calibre were maintained by the same person. I've avoided each one independently because the dev is a dickhead, and boy howdy am I even more sure that I'm never going to use either tool.

I'm sure we had a moniker for it I've long forgotten. I will always have a space in my heart though for Adobe Ragemaker. Fuck Ragemaker.

To this day graphic design is why I hate Macs lol

Old school Quark was so barebones. Hated it at first but loved it as my knowledge of it deepened. It was a divisive tool back in the day!

Yeah I agree. But I guess not everyone is running a super modern device, or perhaps have a device that has terrible sleep performance in Linux.

My Lenovo x1 carbon loses about 2-3% per night. Its around .3% per hour. Its pretty new though bought in the last year.

I PiTTY the fool, …

If you consider Herdr anyway, the new Herdr-App is quite neat. Since it used Zed's UI lib, the terminal also looks pretty nice.

Their security updates are some of the best you could find, my friend. They are only “slow” on features. Debian doesn’t fuck around when it comes to security.

Gaming and getting the latest kernel is a big one for me. My gpu and cpu are very new and they require the latest kernels. I’m sure there are ways to bring in the newest kernel to Debian, or just use Sid or testing, but why do that and what I have works no problem?

Yeah, Debian is my favorite server software by a mile.

We demand TITTY!

Ooh, custom shaders will let me properly dim inactive splits/windows - much better than my current solution which changes the alpha channel in a not-wholly-intended fashion.

Personally, I landed on using Kitty after...

• being a long time <whatever-terminal>+tmux user and getting sick of problems Ctrl+ or delete keys etc.
  • I addressed most of these but there was always gremlins and the whole stack felt hacky with tmux emulating essentially an entire terminal, inside another terminal
• I tried looking at tmux alternatives, but none seemed to entirely support fancier terminal features like graphics and have vim/tmux-like keybinds - looking at you ZelliJ
• I then started looking for a replacement terminal which would give me the necessary bits of tmux - splits, tabs, scrollback search & copy, vim keys. I don't need shells to persist between logins/SSH sessions
• I landed on wezterm, easily configured in Lua like my Neovim, but it seems its not really got the attention of the original developer and gave the impression of falling behind on features, raising questions of security issues
• kitty was the only other terminal I could see largely offering the tmux-like layer out of the box, needing just a bit of config for vim/tmux-like keybindings and using Neovim for fancy scrollback features.

I'd love to know of alternatives to Kitty - the main dev's attitude does leave me with some concerns, but he is a long time open-source developer with multiple successful and maintained projects, for now that keeps me onboard. It seems like he's pushing forwards with new terminal features like multi-font and image support, which is interesting if nothing else.

Perhaps I should go look at herdr as a tmux replacement and use ghostty or Alarcitty, but I'm not so interested in the AI features.

Makes sense. I started with Ubuntu so Debian was a very natural move for me

I tried a few non-debian distro but always came back to it as it is the one I am most familiar with.

they're laying off people who have little to nothing to do with ai -- they're expendable/sacrificial lambs.

Bloaty tool still is CPU-bound.

Honestly, in the age of Flatpak and containerization (as well as Debian often being well-supported by upstream projects for script or package-based install), I feel like the age of Debian packages isn’t that annoying anymore; anything important gets security patches, and it’s easier than ever to use 3rd party software without breaking your system.

i was pleasantly surprised in 2023 to learn that debian was still king in the server space and precisely because of this -- i remember doubting trying debian on my personal hardware because of the age of the packages back around 2004.