Can you see the political implications?

More like if they choose to make bad conditions they will find it harder to attract workers. That's a good thing

Government jobs can provide a floor on pay and conditions

So every other job must be preferable in pay, conditions, or both.

I don't see why guaranteed jobs need to be worse, it it out of fear that it will reduce the supply of workers in the private sector? Government jobs can provide a floor on pay and conditions, it doesn't have to be a race to the bottom that the government needs to make sure they treat their workers worse than the worst private employer.

As far as choosing between welfare and a job guarantee, there are inherent benefits to working even with the same pay, and jobs could be paid at a higher level than welfare, which encourages participation

Not sure the details but I feel like the answer is 'because aires' in at least some capacity.

There's one thing about such a provided job that must be clear. It is the worst job in the whole economy. If you thought your job was worse, you could quit and take that guaranteed job instead. Either that guaranteed job is sub-minimum wage or more grueling than free jobs.

I’m talking about a program that is separate from welfare, it is voluntary, where the person chooses they want a job and the government provides it.

I doubt such a thing is politically sustainable. That is, paying welfare to people who chose not to accept a job being offered. Something to think about in connection with the above.

The wiki article notes that the 1936 constitution of the Soviet Union had a job guarantee. It also had this (in a rather more prominent place):

ARTICLE 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."

The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."

Ok it is a fair comparison, especially when compared to historical examples where the jobs program was an alternative to poverty. Here I'm talking about a program that is separate from welfare, it is voluntary, where the person chooses they want a job and the government provides it.

I had some more of a look and there is a good page about it here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_guarantee . There are proposed programs but they aren't generally implemented at the moment

Yeah there is some measure of "full employment" which is actually about 3% unemployment? I don't get how that makes sense. But it seems to fit with your argument that if unemployment gets too low then workers pick up more bargaining power. So maybe this definition of "full employment" is really the capitalist view of the limit they will accept, so they give it a label to sound like it is some economic principle that needs to be followed

Depends what you mean. I did a quick check and found that the UK has various programs that help disabled people find or keep jobs. I guess that many NEETs would qualify for such programs on account of psychological conditions.

If you are talking about recipients of benefits, the UK does have workfare programs.. (No more Roads to Nowhere, at least.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workfare_in_the_United_Kingdom

If you are asking why people are allowed to live off their savings rather than being made to work, then that's because forced labor is generally considered a human rights violation.

The other user blamed it on conservative ideology and this is true to an extent. Conservative ideology is like that and does put a heavy emphasis on rugged individualism but that ideology exists for a reason. It had to develop out of some need in order to fulfill that need. The truth is full employment is bad for capitalism. It gives workers too much bargaining power. Without the unemployed how will you break strikes? Where will you get your fascist jackboots? How will you prevent workers from leveraging their power for better wages and better conditions?

The fuck you got mine attidude of conservatism developed out of the need to rationalize depriving millions of people and then justify it to those same people. To create a situation where they blame themselves for their destitution. Or, if you are really smart, you get them to blame immigrants and minorities, or women. Instead of you, the capitalist, who is actually responsible. To give the state the capacity to provide broad employment is to create a situation where disaffected workers might blame the state, or god forbid, the people who the state actually serves.

It's particularly convenient because the capitalist isn't the one paying for it either. You are. Working peoples taxes are used to pay for the survival of people capitalists refuse to employ. As always, they reap the profits while we shoulder the burdens.

Jobs programs in the imperial core are usually created during a recession to manage the damage and then abandoned whenever is most convenient. If not abandoned then purposefully made inept.

Because conservative ideology. (Get gud, loser. I got mine. Eat cake and die.)

• Government spending money to help people is the most evil thing imaginable.

• People who can't find jobs are lazy because of their inferior genes so natural selection needs to cull them from the population.

• Worthless surplus humans should be allowed to starve to death in the gutter as an example- reminding all the wage slaves to be grateful to their masters for those wages they've been slaving for.

Until the numbers are revised.

The tariff stuff I think

Yurpppp, this was always just the easy out but private equity & VC tapped out months ago. Anthropic and OpenAI were both planning on Fall IPOs and still weren't able to secure the valuation in time.

Wait, what happened 18 months ago?

Title only implied correlation.

Yes I hate it too.

nasdaq started going down before the elections, if the ai bubble burst is because it was due to happen, has little to do with the election results

After having the best day just post election. So?

With how much they were pushing for people to ask AI about midterms, and how everything is logged for training...

It wouldn't take much to convince me that the earlier drop wasnt a coincidence. I'd bet the people who get to see all that data and held a shit ton of AI stocks all just cashed out their secondary wallets. The ones not actually in their names and routed through all those accounts in the Panama Papers we all got distracted from.

Turn that into cash even if crashes the price, because the funds in your name would be taxed.

Capitalism is always rigged, crypto-capitalism doubley so.

it is a shame that transferring communities do not exist. If someone is banned , they should still be able to move their communities somewhere else

Absolutely wild that they didn't understand that was already the analogy...

Yeah, extremism gets born out of unfair systems taken to their logical conclusion.

Windows has never been better, right?

The RTO layoffs didn’t cut enough to pay for Satya’s headlong dive into AI.

This will certainly improve the quality that has been produced since they cut the testing teams, right? Senior employees only.