Pope the steal

You know when the pope votes against you, or your party, that’s going to be on the doorman’s list at the gates of pedo hell.

You should read the Haydock understanding-- https://haydockcommentary.com/matthew-5

Meanwhile, a prominent Danish Catholic told OSV News the country’s Church was also observing new signs of interest, but was also seeking to ensure converts properly understood Catholic teaching and were not merely making a “conservative, counter-cultural statement.”

It's understandably exciting that especially many young people are searching for meaning and re-discovering the religious heritage that built so much of their world and played a part in their nations' histories, but he brings up a good point: we've seen a number of people use this as a cover for re-inventing themselves with questionable true intentions. Milo Yiannopoulos comes to mind. It's good they are looking in the right places, but I wonder if it comes from a place of sincere interest. I hope they can take interest and find real answers and communities that can support them to become not just products of statements and slogans but real life change.

Fuck all those rules, just be kind”.

I'm not sure that's quite an accurate take:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

-- Matthew 5:17-20

Always telling when asshat Christians to go the bible to justify something, and it's the Old Testament. The one full of TONS of rules that Christians don't follow, cause Jesus's whole schtick was "Fuck all those rules, just be kind".

Probably worse stuff too, the guy is a monster

And a reminder why Hannity really left the Catholic Church: He wanted to practice divorce and adultery.

lol, america never ceases to amaze me

they will monetize it instead

Downvoted because NYT

Stun religious scholars with this one weird trick.

Demands your email

certainly many protestant offshoots have not been progressive though. Prosperity doctrine anyone.

But while protestantism (at least in its original form) was kind of progressive, those Pius guys are anything but. They consider the second Vaticanum a step into hell or something.

They are probably jealous of the times when a fire and brimstone teaching church was ruling the world and when it was legal for them to burn "witches" and "heretics".

yeah thats basically a split. like the anglicans run under the king who appoints the archbishop of canteberry. its just another protestant schism basically. Im surprised there is not one still doing latin or something for them to join already.

A very strange story, indeed. In the light of the threat of excommunicating this Pius group for not obeying the church. They want to consecrate bishops without papal consent and want to turn back to "the good old times" where mass was held in Latin and women had absolutely no place in church.

Well, Vance invited him.

The last time Vance was in the same room as the pope . . .

Moderator note: Given the nature of these letters, it is important for us to recall our own obligation to speak with respect of our clergy, including Pope Benedict (then Ratzinger), who was subject of these letters .

well put!

AI is the ultimate idol

You say you don't want to have a conversation, but your persistence is evidence against this. When addressing the Catholic view of anything, none of it is one-dimensional. We can discuss dogmas, sure, but there are several different competing schools of philosophy, historic analysis, pragmatism, and how these things impact modern culture, science, law, etc. Large swaths of Catholic philosophy do not require Catholic dogma to stand on its own and much of what you don't like is rooted in philosophy more than it is in dogma.

You don't want me telling you how to live, that's fine. I'm not. But you don't live in a vacuum. People are going to tell you how to live. People are going to make laws for you and they are going to enforce them, like them or not.

If Catholics achieve some level of political power, enough to enact some laws, maybe your best bet is to learn to argue your point with a Catholic. To give you an example on a topic different from the one that brought your concerns here, we have the historic example of St. Thomas Aquinas arguing for the tolerance of prostitution. For someone who wants to not regulate certain internet websites, turning to the example of Aquinas might be a source of argument against internet regulation.

Throwing your hands up in the air and saying Catholics should not have political power is not very pragmatic.

The history of the Church is deep. If you want to argue something about biological males who identify as female participating in sports designated for females, come up with an argument. Just telling us we shouldn't exist isn't going to get you anywhere.

Thanks be to God!

The indulgence will be granted to those who participate in a pilgrimage "to any Franciscan conventual church, or place of worship in any part of the world named after St. Francis or connected to him for any reason," it stated.

Nope. I don't think you understand; there is no conversation to be had.

Imagine youre trying to have a discussion with someone. And then they say "well we know God gave mice magical powers to hold everything down on the Earth and that's what you call gravity" and no matter what you say, or how much you're sure that's probably not true, theyre certain of it, and anything you provide as logic or reason is ignored.

That's what it's like talking to you. You're not interested in being part of the common collective- you're right, and we're wrong, and your supposed truth is absolute. That being the case, why on earth would you think I would ever want to try to have a conversation with you? How interested are you in questioning your faith? Oh, perfectly comfortable, because there's nothing anyone could ever say or do to change what you believe? ...see?!

I came here to point out the contradiction in your professed beliefs, and to rage about your religion abusing its protected status as a nongovernmental entity to push transphobic, population dividing legislation. And I guess Im not surprised youre so completely in your own world that you havent taken any of this as an insult, as that's kind of the whole problem

Anyway seriously im not trying to get banned but, dude, really, I cant walk away with you so seriously misunderstanding just how completely either brainwashed and duped, willfully ignorant, just plain selfish, or combination thereof you are- all catholics are- to be so blindly proud of something so many other people can recognize for what it is. It's cute until you start telling me my business, and how I should live, and at that point "but my god said" is no longer a cute defense for your quirky behavior; it's offensive transphobia and you can all go fuck yourselves for thinking "because my super nice and all loving manifestion of love we call god said we should pass these laws" is a valid excuse or reason for literally anything- the rest of us are trying to have a functioning community here and youre hiding behind unconditional love while giving support to hateful legislators pushing population dividing laws

your club sucks, and mostly because of the arrogance with which you conduct your entire thing. No, to reply to what you were trying to say- good and bad arent relative; love is not subjective- hearing stories of jesus as a kid, ignoring political and religious boundaries to point out love is universal helped teach me that! and a bunch of the shit you do in the name of jesus "because the church says so" clearly isnt in the name of love, but you dont really care about that, just obeying your human masters and their contorted, twisted rules, and belonging to your openly transphobic club

Please stop trying to defend- I'm not interested. Supporing transphobic legislation is not unconditional, radical love, and quite the opposite. Any formal organization that does so is shit in my book, period, and has a problem with me when they do it in my neighborhood