[–] 7 points 3 months ago* (16 children)

Just to check , are you asking:

"What does a $75m investment from the company that famously removed "don't be evil" as their motto have to do with evil?"

Doesn't sound difficult to draw the straight line there.

edit: just in case you haven't had news access for the past 20 years, that's not the only reason someone might have an issue with funding from google.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)
    • I asked about the placebo effect, by name.
    • You recited the placebo effect to me like i didn't just mention it directly.
    • I recited it back with extra detail , to make clear that i know what it means.
    • You recited it again, with additional detail, and asked me if i misunderstood your reply containing the definition of the thing i was asking about, by name ?
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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    You believe a layman is still able to discover something in medicine. We'll see.

    I think the belief that "the only place innovation can come from is trained scientists" is arrogant and unscientific, even in specialised fields.

    Im not suggesting people will be producing testable medical end- products on the weekends.

    Just that some things are worth testing/looking into, even if its suggested by someone not wearing a white coat.

    If anything, the lack of low hanging fruit in the current common knowledge base should be an incentive to look in unorthodox places.

    In addition there's a wealth of historical information that is siloed by culture, language and accessibility (among other things).

    That includes dusty old tomes in buried cities but also folk remedies passed down among small villages or families and everything in-between.

    Various new snake oils (ivermectin or urine for cancer , COVID and whatnot) sure aren't it.

    Absolutely agree.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    All low hanging fruits we know of.

    This is one of those unknown unknown situations where there are things were don't even know to be looking for.

    Like microbes, yes we posited something like them, but the full implications the confirmation weren't understood until after.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It's known to potentially have an effect , even if the actual treatment administered was known(by third parties) to be inert and the effect wasnt the one originally planned.

    Thats not the same as not working at all.

    This is a core part of blind tests, the whole reason you test using a placebo is to isolate the effects that can't be attributed to the actual medicine.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    that's the exact opposite of what i was saying.

    Nowadays we can potentially evaluate what is considered "alternative" for actual benefit, and if benefit is found then elevate it to actual medical science.

    Formal science isn't the only source of potential hypotheses.

    If it's not considered beneficial we can discard (for now), perhaps a fresh look later when our tooling and understanding has improved.

    That way we can try to gain benefit where possible, and definitively ( for the current level of technology and resource ) suggest people kindly not overdose on de-wormer because we've scientifically determined it's stupid and potentially lethal.

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