[–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I see what you mean, but depending on the context, having drink alone can lead to unexpected social interactions.

I guess it's also a place where you can meet a friend(s) without the expectations that exist at work and at home. Lacking those places means lacking a space for social activities. What do you think ?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Indeed, as long as it fits this

    One criteria for a third place, according to Jeffres et al. (2009), is that it "offers stress relief from the everyday demands of both home and work. It provides the feeling of inclusiveness and belonging associated with participating in a group's social activities, without the rigidity of policy or exclusiveness of club or organization membership".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Could it be a vertical wall of greens? I am imagining a glass building with lettuce behind the south-oriented windows, on each floor. Seems technically complicated but interesting as a though experiment.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (15 children)

    Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal.

    "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interestedI compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe.

    For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and no other loss, that is 200 kWh/year of electric power per m² of solar panel.

    1 kg of vertical lettuce needs about 8 kWh to power the lights (https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/plant-science/articles/10.3389/fpls.2026.1783548/full)

    So a square meter of solar panel should produce about 25kg of lettuce a year. This compares to 20-50kg/m²/year in horizontal non-light-supplemented hydroponics.

    My numbers and assumptions could be quite a bit off, but clearly I was wrong with the 30x comment.

    My old comment :

    Vertical farming isn't very solarpunk though, it takes about 30m² of solar pannels to grow what could be grown on 1m² using direct sunlight. And I have not mentioned accumulators yet.

    In my opinion this is the exact opposite of low-tech energy efficient developpement that solarpunk aims.

    I do strongly support urban agriculture, if on roofs, using direct sunlight as energy source, and heated with the lost heat of the building below because that is simple and efficient (I would even call it elegant).

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