@grinning_serpent WE already did have plenty of SocDem Countries including Germany, where even the conservative party CDU pushed for it in 1949de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsThose policies will always get overturned eventually. Think ofthe New Deal in the USA only took till the 70's to undo it and reagan to implement the opposite.Liberal policies cant work longterm its an historic fact.Also stop coming to leftist spaces and berate us for not thinkign like you.

@TheDemonBuer Fully aware, but i was under the impression we are discussing it inside a radical left space? Liberalism already dominate 80% of online non chud spaces and i want to not pretend that someone like nancy pelosi is on the left.So yeah they themselves may see it that way but leftist do not.

Well its liberal infighting. DemSocs mild reformist approach is too much left for the centrists that unironically praised Reagan, so the DNC then fights the DSA harder than they fought Trump.

@A404 States around the world absolutely fucking failed regarding Climate Change.Be it mitigation or prevention even the bare minimum was too much to ask for.Here in Germany activists even won a lawsuit upholding the law? To quote Proudhon : "Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of government."

@K1nsey6 There is no hiding the Uniparty anymore.Plenty of comrades are (rightfully)less enthused by the DSA but Janeese Lewis George win in DC showed what people were telling the DNC before the election.The voters didn't want another corporate stooge, they didn't want more centrism they want change and hope.Lesser Evil is still evil

@wpb @K1nsey6 I want to solve Trebek: "Why is the Democrats approval rating so low in 2026?"

@Objection @K1nsey6 Its wild 40+ years of neoliberalism where everything gets more and more right wing economically and the fascists are back and in power.Yet they don't examine what actually is happening or why and somehow its the Leftists fault.

@K1nsey6 fascinating isnt it. Always ready to work with Republicans but fight progressives in their own party to death.

@K1nsey6 Liberals suffer from the Neoliberal Order Breakdown Syndrome. Symptoms include:1Incredulity and denial of political change(Bernie Trump shock in US)2Unwillingness to take responsibility (Voter eternally at fault) 3Moralisation 4No belief in political causation (things just happen)5Fetishising disinformation 6Elite persecution complex7Nostalgia for a very recent past & rewriting history (Lots of Bullshit around Obama era and Bush Jr )

@nullpotential @A404 I like the term shitlib for that kind of liberal.The more proper term is radical centrists and they are lashing out and flailing since Harris lost the popular vote.IT is wild how they still punch left even as their beloved political system descends into fascism. Even wilder when they blame us for their election loss while telling us how unimportant we are in the same breath.

@A404 You are very lucky if you do not know him.Ultra liberal power mod. personally fought every leftist that he met on lemmy.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55227822

@A404 Dunno if off topic but, is me calling PugJesus a shitlib part of this discussion?